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Old 30 May 2006, 04:59   #21
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In answer to a couple of points on this thread:

I don't think the XS ribs are Phantom derived.

I don't think the Tohatsu/Solent ribs are Phantom derived (though I think they like the idea of cashing in on the urban myth) but would stand corrected.

The Phantom 28 mould WAS loaned to Tornado. (FOC)., who made ribs from it's running surface, and failed to ever pay the agreed royalties to Steve Baker, saying that they'd never sold a boat. I sent pics to Steve of complete running P28 based Tornado ribs, he contacted them, they still never paid!

They also damaged the mould before returning it, and it had to be repaired before my 28 could be moulded in it.

I believe, as is well known, that the Leeway 6.3 & 8.3 are Phantom derived (Phantom 18 & 25 respectively)
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Re the Tornado to my knowledge not but you would have to check with Tornado direct on that.

Often a manufacturer will start with an exsisting hull and when the want to go bigger use that moulding as the sub frame to build a new wider and longer plug on top of, but apart from being the frame to fix the new hull skins to and add spray rails it has no input in to the new hull.

XS: How you could adapt a 28' boat to a 6-7 m rib I am not sure and 100% the XS was designed from scratch. The bow of a 28' hull which would give a 33' rib would be out of all proportion on a 20' + craft.

The work involved in changing an exsisting hull design is MORE than starting from scratch.
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The Reply is to Leeway Composites;

As to relevance of comments you need to be very sure of your facts before you print what is effectively libel.

Tornado bought Elite Ribs in the early 90's and there was a question over the origin of the Elite 780, which Tornado substantially modified in to the 7.3, a boat that has not been made for 10 years by Tornado

All other craft in the current Tornado range are developed from their own plugs that can all be seen at the Tornado factory.

XS again have plug up development of all their craft.

If you wish to disagree please put your case in writing to me and we will take it further !

sorry question answered just didnt read last posts
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The work involved in changing an exsisting hull design is MORE than starting from scratch.
That is true if you're a *Boatbuilder*, but if you're a *Laminator* it's a little different.
Why else would splashing even exist?

PS. this is not a slur on Laminators, just pointing out that laminating and boatbuilding are very different jobs, and require very different skills. I won't even start on design
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In answer to a couple of points on this thread:
I don't think the Tohatsu/Solent ribs are Phantom derived (though I think they like the idea of cashing in on the urban myth) but would stand corrected....

....I believe, as is well known, that the Leeway 6.3 & 8.3 are Phantom derived (Phantom 18 & 25 respectively)
If the pictures Richard originally posted were correctly identified by ADS, why do the first two's hull look, (to my eye,) almost identical, whereas the similarities between the 3rd photo and the other two aren't as obvious?
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If the pictures Richard originally posted were correctly identified by ADS, why do the first two's hull look, (to my eye,) almost identical, whereas the similarities between the 3rd photo and the other two aren't as obvious?
I agree, Leeways hull looks more similar to that on my Tornado
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If the pictures Richard originally posted were correctly identified by ADS, why do the first two's hull look, (to my eye,) almost identical, whereas the similarities between the 3rd photo and the other two aren't as obvious?
According to Richard I correctly identified all 3, now wheres my anorak!!
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Actually, I don't think the first two are the same, similar, yes, but not from the same hull.

The third is different all together

1= phantom evo, 'based' on Phantom 23 hard boat, but altered in the chines. (by Steve Baker himself, for Neil Holmes)

2= no idea

3= Phantom 25 running surface (early 80's constant deadrise racing hardboat, not at all well suited to the typical use ribs are bought for.
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Actually, I don't think the first two are the same, similar, yes, but not from the same hull.

The third is different all together

1= phantom evo, 'based' on Phantom 23 hard boat, but altered in the chines. (by Steve Baker himself, for Neil Holmes)

2= no idea

3= Phantom 25 running surface (early 80's constant deadrise racing hardboat, not at all well suited to the typical use ribs are bought for.
2. Is deffo a Solent RIB JF

Agree with all the above
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