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Old 22 September 2005, 17:25   #1
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Engine on ebay.........dodgy??

I saw this on ebay a few days ago and have been following it. Do people think it looks dodgy - the seller has no feedback although the wording does sound ok (unless its been "stolen" from another ad somewhere). Seems like a bargin if it is genuine.....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1
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Old 22 September 2005, 17:29   #2
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I saw this on ebay a few days ago and have been following it. Do people think it looks dodgy - the seller has no feedback although the wording does sound ok (unless its been "stolen" from another ad somewhere). Seems like a bargin if it is genuine.....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1
seems cheap enough, but would get int he car and go visit him and see it running and perhaps pay for an inspection, ask for reciepts for rebuild work, call em and ask etc, if all checks out could be a bargain

contact the seller
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Old 22 September 2005, 17:30   #3
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Don't think my 4.1m boat would be too happy with that on the back.....
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Old 22 September 2005, 17:40   #4
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I'd like to think that it's genuine, as that would fit on our transom just nicely!

But look at the top LH corner of this pic... I'm slightly suspicious. I wonder how the seller would react to an request to view? Over to Nosforatu!

Also, I'm a bit uncertain if Yamaha ever marketed a 225hp 3.1 litre Vmax motor in the UK. I could be wrong though.
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Is this a UK product? I don't know much about Yamaha, but the description has a "yank" feel to it. Also, it may be cheap, but no-one is exactly biting his hand off.

Personally, I would never bid for a high value product from a zero rated seller anyway.

As always, caveat emptor!
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It's probably a con...

If you look at the company plaque behind the motor (plus the sticker visible on one shot) and you'll see ARG Marine. They are a company in Palm Beach, Florida. I don't think they have a branch in Melton Mowbray...

Come on Nos - go get him!
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Old 22 September 2005, 18:58   #7
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must admit, if i was looking for a 225 v max i would jump in the car and go and see it, if genuine then could be a cool buy, is easy enough to check up on serial numbers etc and if been overhauled in the uk then to check with the guys that did the work

now if i put that on the 4 plus 2 that might make the baby jump out of the water a bit quicker, could drop the doel fins then, might even be lighter than my honda!!! has anyone ever seen a shetland 4 plus 2 pass them when they are doing 50 mph?
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Well spotted - if you check their site the engine is still listed with location of riviera beach Florida

http://www.argmarine.com/moredetails...code=argmarine
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It is a private listing as well - starting to smell a rat BUT it could be ok - if you get a phone number and speak to him - then arrange to pay cash on collection no problem - otherwise - no way!!!

Remember some people use other people's ads and photos etc if they have similar items for sale!!!
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I've emailed ARG Marine asking them about their Melton Mowbray office (!), and also sent an email to ebay regarding the attempt to defraud.

He's keeping the identity of the bidder secret to avoid anyone emailing them and pointing out that the motor doesn't exist.

We now need Nos to put in a huge bid!
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Old 23 September 2005, 03:29   #11
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dont label him a crook yet

some people use the features on ebay not quite knowing what they will do so might be innocent, i still say, send a message, speak on the phone and view before bidding and check thru any paperwork, hear running etc and get it tested.



if engine was good i would also try to secure a private sale direct with the buyer if it seems like a good buy and bypass ebay fees and associated hassle.
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Chris,

(1) I've already emailed requesting to see the motor - no reply.

(2) The motor belongs to ARG Marine in Florida - they took the pictures and their logo is on the motor and visible in the background.

(3) Buyer ID kept secret is NOT something the seller does by mistake.

Get a grip mate - it's naivety like yours that keeps these crooks in business!
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if engine was good i would also try to secure a private sale direct with the buyer if it seems like a good buy and bypass ebay fees and associated hassle.
This is of course completely against ebay policy and can have both you and the sellers accounts suspended for doing so

Ebay do not take lightly to loosing commision on multi-thousand pound sales.

But seriously though - these guys are right - there is no way this thing is for real.
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BTW Roy - at the risk of appearing stupid; what's the countdown for?
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BTW Roy - at the risk of appearing stupid; what's the countdown for?
Delivery of my Ribcraft - I currently have no boat
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beware of paypal, they are the crooks

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This is of course completely against ebay policy and can have both you and the sellers accounts suspended for doing so

Ebay do not take lightly to loosing commision on multi-thousand pound sales.
ebay and paypal are a bunch of money grabbing basta£ds, for example, someone in australia purchased some bits from my wifes store, we were paid via paypal, so my wife sent the goods off to this person, person had good feedback buy only around 30 ish in total, next thing was paypal took the money back off my wife saying the person had paid for the items with a stolen or dodgy card........

so....person in australia so i could not pop round and have a little word in their ear, paypal looked after themselves and took the money back off of my wife, ebay not interested, aussies did not reply, us out of pocket

i have done a lot of business on ebay and i find them unethical in their approach and their control of rogue people, the risk is always passed to the buyer or seller.

i had a couple of nasty experiences which showed at the end of the day you can be paid via paypal but they can take the money back with no comeback by you for some time after.....beware!!

they say you dont get the protection of ebay if you buy direct, joke, nothing better than buying from a reputable shop, or from a person you have met and trust.

bitter...u bet
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I wasn't trying to stick up for them - or justify their policies - I share your sentiments about them.

I'm sure they are going to commercialise and ruin Skype too now they own it.
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I wasn't trying to stick up for them - or justify their policies - I share your sentiments about them.

I'm sure they are going to commercialise and ruin Skype too now they own it.
Hey Roy, you are cool, i have logged you in my mind as the pda expert so might drop you a pm on something i have here am working thru

take care

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I reckon its legit - lovely motor to look at too! , bet it sounds awesome
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the risk is always passed to the buyer or seller.
Banking 101, never accept the risk yourself.

PayPal is not quite the same as a regular credit card merchant agreement where it is always passed on to the merchant.

At least PayPal don't add a 20 quid administration fee on the chargeback unlike WorldPay

As a merchant who uses PayPal, WorldPay & a normal Streamline terminal, PayPal are the only ones who will judge a chargeback request on it's merits, the others just take the money, even if you can prove delivery.

Thankfully not many customers know that you can put a chargeback request in upto 6 months after the transaction & be 99% certain of getting your money back.
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