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Old 26 July 2017, 18:01   #1
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Petrol and Diesel off the roads by 2040. Will our outboards be next or should we just hope they don't notice us?
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Old 26 July 2017, 18:10   #2
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What a hypocritical load of PR bunkum.
They should do something about these huge ships that have diesel engines the size of houses that are subject to virtually no emission controls. Tackle the big offenders first. After that take a look at forcing some electric juggernauts on the hauliers.
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What a hypocritical load of PR bunkum.
They should do something about these huge ships that have diesel engines the size of houses that are subject to virtually no emission controls. Tackle the big offenders first. After that take a look at forcing some electric juggernauts on the hauliers.
err, you mean the world's most efficient engines? You want to tackle them first?
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Old 27 July 2017, 01:51   #4
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I doubt few appreciate the economic misery and social impact this will bring. It couldn't be forced in America where greater distances are involved and they love their gas guzzlers anyway.
There's nothing green about the manufacture or disposal of a Toyota Prius.
No problem. There's always the answer to build more HS2's and HS3's. But these trains consume 1 Megawatt at idle in the station and 7.5 Megawatts at full pelt. Still have diesel locos on branch lines. Green policy just shifts the point where the gases are produced. We haven't even got started discussing the planned expansion of airports and air travel. Should be encouraging less surely?
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Well presumably there isn't a major air pollution issue causing lots of unnecessary deaths at sea. At some point the green lobby will point out that my emissions go into the sea and will be in the Prime Minister's Cod 'n' Chips during when they have their election campaign photo taken pretending they eat "Real People Food"... ...but...

I suspect the issue will be the cost of fuel may increase as Fuel becomes less of a requirement elsewhere. If you can't buy roadside Fuel in 2055 - it will be harder to control marina costs. The casual user will get fleeced.

Then there will be less engineers who understand engines. It will become very specialist and you'll be paying 600 per day plus travel/accommodation to get an engineer to come out to change a spark plug because all the local modern engineers will be saying "Oh - its not an electric motor I can't fix it" (Of course they also won't fix them they will just replace the motors!).

Of course in 2055 quite a lot of us will be the same age as those who tinker in classic cars and steam these days, we will be the eccentric people who wont let go of the ancient inefficient technology. Who like to stand round sucking air in oily boiler-suits remembering the good old says in 2010 when you could still run your engine on some mystical fuel just known as "Red"...

While the next generation 3D prints a replacement part for their electric boat engine, we will wait for 3 weeks for a shrivelled postal service to ship us the last remaining oil filter found on a dusty shelf at the back of an abandoned "halfords" store. We will tell the 3D generation about how you used to be able to go to this huge shopping facility (we will need to explain what that is - since they will think its a computer) and actually touch the filter before paying with an ancient form of money called pounds and pence. We will take out an old 1p coin to show the now fascinated crowd...

How I can't wait for 2055 to tell the next generation how great it was back in 2010...
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Old 27 July 2017, 02:07   #6
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Then there will be less engineers who understand engines. It will become very specialist and you'll be paying 600 per day plus travel/accommodation to get an engineer to come out to change a spark plug because all the local modern engineers will be saying "Oh - its not an electric motor I can't fix it" (Of course they also won't fix them they will just replace the motors!).
I think the opposite. There will be more individuals and back street garages doing DIY keeping their old 'land rovers' running. Then comes the next round legislation to force them out or simply tax them out of reach.
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23 years, guys. Whole lotta us dudes won't be effected - other than maybe better air coming in the window in the nursing home if we are lucky!

More seriously, the "ban" does not include petrol hybrid engines, so no inherent reason for Internal Combustion Engines and mechanics to vanish. That said, I suspect that better battery and renewable energy technology will do away with most ICEs long before 2040. Electric Propulsion is just getting out of the cradle - it's at that point where they stopped walking in front of ICEs waving a red flag. Watch them run and run....
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Petrol and Diesel off the roads by 2040. Will our outboards be next or should we just hope they don't notice us?
For those who want to run at WOT for a protracted time, an electric outboard is a bit of a nightmare scenario. For many of though, if the energy density of batteries improves significantly to a point where it challenges petrol, it'll be great imho. Many of us only use full HP during acceleration so the hybrid model works well there, except there's no recovery on deceleration.


Bring it on - set the industry some challenges. We won't find ourselves in a position we have no viable means of propulsion. There won't be enough hippies to force that upon us.
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Are you all too young to remember BetaMax tapes...........because that's where electric cars are going.

Hydrogen......the way forward...
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Are you all too young to remember BetaMax tapes...........because that's where electric cars are going.

Hydrogen......the way forward...
Until some video emerges of a family burning to death in a hydrogen fire.
I put my money on Saint Elon and his Gigaplans. I agree that it's a 2 horse race though, except the one at the back has 3 legs and is relying on fart power.

And had to stop because someone in the crowd was smoking.
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