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Old 08 October 2012, 16:49   #21
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Seems like i stirred up a bit of a storm. To put my position straight yes i agree plenty of idiots in all types of boats it just happens that i use my rib a lot and 97% of all jet skiers i see are acting like idiots, my opinion from experence. The other 3 % are great and i want to hug them. LOL
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Old 08 October 2012, 17:18   #22
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Seems like i stirred up a bit of a storm. To put my position straight yes i agree plenty of idiots in all types of boats it just happens that i use my rib a lot and 97% of all jet skiers i see are acting like idiots, my opinion from experence. The other 3 % are great and i want to hug them. LOL
Seconded-see my letter of complaint to PHC a couple of years ago.

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Old 09 October 2012, 02:02   #23
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well I think its more like 99% of jet skiers/ bikers and I will also add that a few should also locked up.

1: we dont buzz around other boaters and anoy them as it is simpley just bad manners

2: We do not think the fact that they can do a doughnut makes them cool and am not impressed with any of their other moves so why when there is a huge area for them to use them do they need to do it near me.? I would also add the the buzzing sound they make is also very annoying
3: On places like loch lomond it is amazing how these idiots ignore speed limits that are there for a reason
4: Due to number 2 there have been more and more accidents with this ***** buzzing canoes with their wakes and even worse hitting swimmers and this is normally serious / fatal as it tends to be their heads.

so if they do it away from me and don't put others at risk along with obeying the laws of the waterways then great I hope they all have a lot of safe fun. Sadly that is very very few from what I have seen.
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Seconded-see my letter of complaint to PHC a couple of years ago.

Jetskiers at Baiter slipway in Poole
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Dear Mr *****
Thank you for your letter and complaint re PWs misbehaving at Baiter slipway.
PWs have been a problem in the Harbour since their arrival and every effort is made to moderate the over enthusiasm that mars the behaviour of even the most law-abiding PW rider.
We are hampered at present by the lack of our own PW, with the ability to pursue these craft on their own terms, although we hope to have a replacement shortly, but a telephone call to Harbour Control, 01202 440230, or a complaint to our PW permit salesperson and a request for help should bring a patrol craft onto the scene on weekday afternoons and all day at weekends.
The (usually) young man on duty at the hut is tasked with issuing PW permits and educating the applicants as to what is allowed and what is not. He always directs them towards the PW area off Brownsea or to the open sea, and warns them about their behaviour and the presence of patrol craft. His function is not to discipline offenders, but to educate and call for a patrol boat if there is need.
There are always new riders each season as this form of amusement is rather expensive and has a time limit for interest.
The main reason for making a nuisance of themselves around the slipway is to burn up remaining fuel before recovering the PW, hence they stay close. A word from a patrol craft usually calms them down a little, and I can only suppose that our man in the hut was not aware of the degree of nuisance being caused.
We will put a little more time in around Baiter with our patrols until the new riders are more aware
It sounds like he too think's they're a bunch of terwats.
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Don't quite a few slipways require evidence of PWC training? Littlehampton Harbour Board does.

This would seem to be a good way to deter the 'buy a jetski from eBay on Friday and launch on Saturday' people; if they are committed to doing things properly rather than on a whim, an additional outlay on training won't be an obstacle and would expect the training will include consideration of other water users.

Don't get me started on the subject of 16 yr old lads on 'chicken chaser' scooters....
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Why shouldn't you be allowed to buy a Jetski (from eBay or Dealer for that matter) on a Friday and launch the next day with no training ? You can with any other high performance rib or speed boat so why should it be any different ?

Don't get me wrong, I think you should require at least some kind of basic training and this should become a legal requirement but it should be across the board, not just singling out one specific sector because we don't like them!

If a Jetski has to show paperwork to launch, so should a Rib!

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Why shouldn't you be allowed to buy a Jetski (from eBay or Dealer for that matter) on a Friday and launch the next day with no training ? You can with any other high performance rib or speed boat so why should it be any different ?

Don't get me wrong, I think you should require at least some kind of basic training and this should become a legal requirement but it should be across the board, not just singling out one specific sector because we don't like them!

If a Jetski has to show paperwork to launch, so should a Rib!

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Totally agree.
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I suspect it is not based upon whether they are 'liked' or not but that one group is disproportionately responsible for complaints about speed, noise, inconsiderate behaviour, etc., that, unfortunately, leads to a whole group being tarred with the same brush because that is the only means to constrain the problematic minority. I.e., that not all PWC users cause problems but that a lot of problems are caused by PWC users and there is no means by which the subset of 'problem users' can be identified amongst the whole group.

Last year an idiot posted on YouTube footage of his boat doing 70 mph down the River Arun (6.5 kt limit). A few other occurrences of that sort of thing and it wouldn't be a surprise if boat users became subjected to similar constraints as users of PWCs.

The same thinking that results in the statements on car insurance websites to the effect of "We do not insure Citroen Saxos, so don't even ask" or beaches being made dog-free because a minority don't clear up after their animals.

Unfortunately, such rules never go away - once put in place they stay in place.

Identify any one group of people and there will be a small minority of idiots amongst them (well, maybe not Saab drivers!)
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I popped into cobbs quay marina office today expecting to pick up a nice mooring rope i had left with the jetski couple who i had rescued and was being used to secure there ski to a mooring cleat near the slipway. After i dropped them back at baiters in my car i asked them when they picked the jetski back up to leave the rope in the marina office for me to pick up this weekend. There is no sign of the rope.

So i rescued them, towed them to cobbs which cut my time outbin my boat by half, bloody runied my day, secured there jet ski and gave them a car lift to baiter and they coild not be bothered to return the mooring rope. I am well unimpressed. I will track them down eventually as i know what there car looks like.
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I popped into cobbs quay marina office today expecting to pick up a nice mooring rope i had left with the jetski couple who i had rescued and was being used to secure there ski to a mooring cleat near the slipway. After i dropped them back at baiters in my car i asked them when they picked the jetski back up to leave the rope in the marina office for me to pick up this weekend. There is no sign of the rope.

So i rescued them, towed them to cobbs which cut my time outbin my boat by half, bloody runied my day, secured there jet ski and gave them a car lift to baiter and they coild not be bothered to return the mooring rope. I am well unimpressed. I will track them down eventually as i know what there car looks like.
That's why I now only ever tow ebay boaters to the nearest safe shore. I'll happily stop them drowning but I'm damned if I'll pay fuel from my own pocket to protect their investment.
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