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Old 03 November 2012, 05:01   #1
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e petition for lifejackets

I have just seen this asking for compulsory lifejacket use, It has started doing the rounds by media forums


Make the wearing of lifejackets complusory---

Make the wearing of lifejackets complusory - e-petitions
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Would the RYA help in promoting this?
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Old 03 November 2012, 06:14   #3
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Would the RYA help in promoting this?
I doubt it - their general stance on legislation is that it will be hard to enforce, will limit the freedoms of their members and make it harder for people to get involved in the sports/activities they promote. Their general position is that education is preferable to legislation.

Like most e-petitions this one is poorly thought out and poorly worded. "...make the wearing of a lifejacket or buoyancy aid compulsory for everyone using UK waters..." So does that mean the skipper of an 11m cabin rib needs to wear one inside his protective bubble? what about a 40ft yacht, and does it change when on deck, or if clipped on, or when working the foredeck in a F8? how about a windsurfer (not that common a practice) or someone playing on a surfboard / stand-up paddle board just off a beach. How about the Ardrossan-Arran ferry, or the 5 minutes sheltered crossing over the clyde at Renfrew?

As far as I know there is no evidence from Ireland where such laws were introduced that: (a) irresponsible boaters comply with the law; (b) fatalities have reduces; (c) it has been in any other way good for boating, safety or society.
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Are swimmers and fishermen (on a beach) not also using the water.

Does it apply to inland / sea.

However funadmentally while I always wear a LJ or BA when on an open boat and think people who don't should be shot it doesn't mean you wont drown:
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/1002...rJs1wmFe7aFw8A

I'd rather see the money it would cost on enforcement be spent on better coastgaurd cover to educate... ...send a CG along a beach on a nice day they can have a chat to plenty silly parents.
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I don't believe the purpose of e-petitions is to get the exact wording of the petition as a law.

I think it is too highlight to HMG that sufficient people have taken an interest and the topic should be discussed in parliament.

Once a certain number of signatures have been received (100,000 I think) then the topic must be discussed.

IF a law is put on the statutes then it would cover things like ferry boats etc.

I believe that people who run boating ponds insist on children under a certain age wearing bouyancy aids as it is a requirement of the insurance, they also make them available for anyone who wants one.

It's a bit like seat belts and child seats, legal requirement but people still don't use them.
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I believe that people who run boating ponds insist on children under a certain age wearing bouyancy aids as it is a requirement of the insurance, they also make them available for anyone who wants one.
Any well constructed risk assessment would at least conclude that, if not conslude that everyone should. The issue is people who aren't sitting down to do a pen and paper risk assessment misjudge the risks and so don't wear a LJ...
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If it did become compulsary in law what's the next step with regards to an annual service for auto or gas inflation types , after all you could buy an auto inflate and wear it for the next 10 years without a service , it may not work but you are still wearing a lifejacket so would then a compusery service or mot type or an indate inspection then have to be implemented too for certain types
,then there's the lifejacket or floatation device debate
Schemes like the Rnli sea safety & education are a better option in my opinion .
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Are swimmers and fishermen (on a beach) not also using the water.

Does it apply to inland / sea.
The original link does clarify that - all water both inland and coastal.

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I don't believe the purpose of e-petitions is to get the exact wording of the petition as a law.
Of course that is the job of parliament, but how could I sign a petition (even if I believed it was the best way to make boating safer) if its not clear whether we are talking about impacting on (wind)surfing, small open boats, yachts or ferries.

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I think it is too highlight to HMG that sufficient people have taken an interest and the topic should be discussed in parliament.
Or at least to pretend to the public that there is a way for them to influence policy, and that government is in touch / listening!
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If it did become compulsary in law what's the next step with regards to an annual service for auto or gas inflation types , after all you could buy an auto inflate and wear it for the next 10 years without a service , it may not work but you are still wearing a lifejacket so would then a compusery service or mot type or an indate inspection then have to be implemented too for certain types
,then there's the lifejacket or floatation device debate
Schemes like the Rnli sea safety & education are a better option in my opinion .
Yep.

The only way to assure that a LJ would work is to use the clunky, ancient foam things the yanks are stuck with by USCG regs.
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Yep.

The only way to assure that a LJ would work is to use the clunky, ancient foam things the yanks are stuck with by USCG regs.
That in the light of the " Last Call "incident at Whitby a few years back dident seem up to the job with regards stitching /webbing .
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