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Old 29 October 2003, 12:12   #1
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Duties $$

Hi chaps,

I've been after a Medline II for some time and have finally found one in France. If I make the purchase, what duties can I expect to pay when bringing her home on the back of my car ? She's 2nd hand and around the 14,000 mark (yet to be negotiated).

Could one keep quiet, cross ones fingers and hope for the best or, should one (not from a moral standing only a legal one) declare the same ?

Any thoughts or experiences ?
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You need the original purchase receipt - showing VAT paid. If the vendor can't produce this (assuming that the boat was originally purchased after a certain date) then probably time to bale out from the sale. I don't know about duty - surely this not applicable within the EEC? You could ring the HM Customs and Excise help line on 0845 010 9000 who deal with all of this stuff.

I always thought boats (and particularly RIBs) looked expensive in France, or is it the case that Zodiacs are so common over there that there's an over-supply of 2nd hand ones?
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Normally Vat dosent apply when purchasing second hand unless the Vendor was VAT registered as a company and made the initial purchase and didnt pay but deferred the VAT until time of sale, this is unlikely , the VAT has to be paid once in the EEC an advertised price should include the VAT unless stated,, ensure your reciept shows no VAT as secondhand, or price includes Vat in which case its up to the Vendor to deduct that piece of VAT and pay it to the Revenue, good luck
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Yes, but you need to be careful when moving goods across boundaries. You need to be able to prove that VAT was originally paid (obviously within the EEC) otherwise you will be charged VAT at HMC&E valuation as if the goods were from outside the EEC. All this is subject to being "caught" of course!

Other reference points HMC&E website http://www.hmce.gov.uk/ and the RYA probably have info on this as well. Also look out for helpful articles in the yachting/motorboating monthly magazines.
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Superb,

Thanks chaps, I knew I could rely upon the forum for assistance. I've just shot off another email to the vendor requesting further advice regarding his purchase, vat paid etc and what documentation he has. I'll also pop onto the Customs site.

It remains early days, however, I'll keep you posted.

Re the price of RIBS in France. I can't really comment other than to advise that if the one I'm looking at turns out to be as it's described, I'll be paying the right price, no more no less - in my opinion of course. Unfortunately, the Medline II is a pretty rare RIB for the the U.K waters.

If anyone can point me in the direction of one, there's a large drink in it for you ....
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Talk to John Harvey at TL Harvey in Darlaston, West Mids. They are Zodiac dealers and might have a second hand or ex demo boat that might suit you.
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Hmmm... his ex-demo Medline 2 makes that French 2nd hand one look expensive.

Maybe Alan could claim that large drink you mentioned?!?

http://www.tlharvey.com/marine/zodiac.htm
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MeMe i'd just get over there buy it and bring it back on the ferry or eurostar and say nothing, no one will really care unless of course the boat is stuffed full of cigaretes or heroine, or you start making a big fuss about what should i be paying or what paperwork do i need !! after all you dont have to re register the boat like a car do you ! make sure you have a bill of sale from the vendor though in case you do get stopped but to be honest customs are not looking for people buying a second hand boat in France and bringing it back to the UK are they
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Thanks Again to all....

My thoughts mirror the devious of you

TL Harvey, thanks for the link. I know them well down there, they're pretty useless to be honest. A pal of mine called in response to an ad for a Medline I Club advising that he would come at the weekend and part with his cash. All he wanted was a few reassuring answers to some simple commercial and boat spercific questions. Following 4 calls from both him and me, they never called him back, sent email pictures or bothered to assist in any way. They lost 12k and he bought elsewhere.

I believe that although they're a big Zodiac dealer, their main source of income comes from elsewhere (salvage).

Anyway..... I'll keep you posted.
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Well, 5 minutes on from my previous posting I though I'd give them the benefit of the dout. I called and was greeted with "oh yes sir we have one of those in stoke" - "oh sorry sir, no we don't" - "hold on, yes we do" - "no, no, sorry, no actually we don't" !!!!

It was the same story last time ! Further, it's up at 16k which is really at the upper end of the scale for such a RIB especially given it's an ex demo and it's winter.

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