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Old 08 August 2006, 13:49   #11
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Also, in Arizona , exceeding the speed limit on the road by 20mph, or more, is also a criminal offense, hand cuffs and iron bars again plus loss of license for 1 year.
Really?

I remember a run back from Sedona to Phoenix; I was doing about 90 in a rental car (wouldn't go any faster - damned GM cars...), and people were going by me like I was parked.

Don't recall seeing anyone pulled over for anything.

In California, BUI (boating under the influence) is essentially the same as DUI: 0.08% blood alcohol level and you're done. The BUI goes on your drivers license (same as a DUI), and the penalties are, shall we say, pretty stiff. In short, nothing to screw around with.

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Old 08 August 2006, 22:32   #12
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If there are any of you folks from the 'constabulary' fraternity out there, feel free to correct me - but in the UK doesn't the offence of being 'drunk in charge of carriage' cover this one? A 'carriage' being any any vehicle adapted for use in transporting persons - but not one drawn by an animal eg a horse. My understanding is that in the definition 'any vehicle' can also include a boat ? - Heard it banded around on the inland waterways a few years ago.......

Can anyone clarify ?
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Old 10 August 2006, 15:49   #13
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If there are any of you folks from the 'constabulary' fraternity out there, feel free to correct me - but in the UK doesn't the offence of being 'drunk in charge of carriage' cover this one? A 'carriage' being any any vehicle adapted for use in transporting persons - but not one drawn by an animal eg a horse. My understanding is that in the definition 'any vehicle' can also include a boat ? - Heard it banded around on the inland waterways a few years ago.......

Can anyone clarify ?
I believe this is the case however the prosecution would need a good lawyer to make it stand in court. However you will find that most Harbour Authorities will have a ByLaw with regards to Drink Driving. I know we certainly do...
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If there are any of you folks from the 'constabulary' fraternity out there, feel free to correct me - but in the UK doesn't the offence of being 'drunk in charge of carriage' cover this one? A 'carriage' being any any vehicle adapted for use in transporting persons - but not one drawn by an animal eg a horse. My understanding is that in the definition 'any vehicle' can also include a boat ? - Heard it banded around on the inland waterways a few years ago.......

Can anyone clarify ?
true, but you need to add "on the Highway or any public place" excludes on the water I believe.
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Someone was actually arrested in Abersoch about a month ago for this, 'Drunk in charge of a mechanically propelled vehicle' was the charge - not to sure was this person actually got tho
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As already said, here in the US drinking and boating is the same as drinking and driving. Goes right on your driving record. First offense is a misdomeanor, second or third(depending on state and severity) is a felony! One of my friends got busted by undercover Chicago police officers posing as fisherman. It is very, very strict out here. This is why we always have a sober captain no matter how drunk everyone is. I am pretty surprised things are so easy going in the UK especially considering that your drunk driving laws are so stiff.
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There is not, never has been, or never will be any excuse for being incapable either through drink or drugs when being in charge, or helming, any kind of boat.

I make it a condition of employment that none of my staff drink AT ALL when either on, or are about to come, on duty. No-one has ever had a problem with that.

I just can't understand the RYA's viewpoint on this that laws are not desirable - its one of the areas they really let themselves down in.

Plus, of course, being selfish anyone causing an accident whilst drunk is likely to find the coroner ups the resultant finding from accidental death to manslaughter.

But then I can't understand the RYA's idiot view that boaters should not be licensed either!

(Well, I can understand where it comes from, but I challenge anyone to come through the Solent on a laden tanker on a busy day, watch the boating public, and still believe a "driving licence" is not a flaming good idea)...

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I agree that drink helming is not a good thing however I very strongly disagree with pretty much everything else that has been said on this thread.

Why boaters are keen to have more regulations and policing placed upon them I do not know.

Has the governement regulated our lives so much that we are now asking for more regulations.

There is only a small number of isolated cases where death has occured. To police these proposed regulations would cost a fortune that would be paid by boaters in some new form of taxation.

Lets keep our freedom and keep officials out of our sport
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Here here Doug - one of the few pleasures left that isn't totally over regulated. Surely common sense should still account for something?!
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There is only a small number of isolated cases where death has occured. To police these proposed regulations would cost a fortune that would be paid by boaters in some new form of taxation.

Lets keep our freedom and keep officials out of our sport
Doug,

"A small number of cases" - is one not enough? True, there will always be those willing to flout any laws, but that's no reason not to have the law in the first place.

Why is it an imposition on "freedom" not to be able to drive around p1ssed as a newt? We are used to this on the roads - or are you seriously arguing that having drink drive laws is an over-regulation?

EVERYBODY'S ability is impaired by alcohol. No exceptions - it's biological. We in merchant shipping are used to blood alcohol laws, and I've never heard any complaint about it. Why should the boating public be allowed to cause mayhem unchecked?

We're not just talking about people deliberately getting drunk and going to sea, but also the cumulative effects of alcohol - falling asleep on watch for example is very different to driving a boat into a crowd of people, but with consequences that could be just as dire.

I also don't see why a drink boating law would require taxation - many police forces have a marine presence, it would simply allow them and the Coastguard to do more than just be able to warn / attempt to educate the truly dangerous.

A national law would also do much to clear up the local variances and resultant confusion as to whether a port / harbour has byelaws in place anyway.

As I see it, it could work just as vehicle drink laws do - no random powers to stop and check, but routine breath tests after accidents, reported near misses etc, or seen by police to be driving erratically.

I'm all for the reduction of needless regulation (you ought to see the amount in commercial shipping these days) but can't really believe anyone is seriously arguing that "personal freedom" is jeopardised by not being allowed to drive whilst incapable?

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