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Old 09 June 2004, 19:09   #1
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DON'T support the RNLI . . .

No, this isn't a wind up -- although it may cause some discussion!

< Edit: Before wading in to "defend" the RNLI please read and digest the whole of this post. They don't need defending, because I'm not attacking them. JK >

The RNLI do a fantastic job. They save lives. They have brave and dedicated crews. You may need their help one day. So why not support them?

Simply because there are other rescue organisations that need your money more. As a high profile national charity with obvious emotional appeal (just imagine being shipwrecked in a storm . . .) the RNLI is extraordinarily well funded.

There are 1,600 fundraising branches all over the country. A Google search for RNLI fundraising comes up with 5,820 results. You only need to look at an RNLI lifeboat or lifeboat station to see how much money there is -- they have the best of everything, which of course they richly deserve.

However there is also a network of independent lifeboat organisations who don't have access to the vast fundraising network of the RNLI. They do the same job. They are Declared Rescue Facilities, available to HM Coastguard in exactly the same way as the RNLI. Their volunteer crews are just as dedicated and brave. But they have to scrimp and save for everything and their facilities are generally way below the level of a comparable RNLI station.

These will never get the attention of the Women's Institute branches in the Midlands, or manage to form a Fundraising Guild in Wisbech way inland.

The overwhelming majority of general public support will never even know about the other lifeboat services. However, as a small but well informed user group, we are in a position to really make a difference without having any significant effect on the RNLI.

Unlike the 274,000 that the RNLI spends every day, relatively small amounts of money can make a big difference to these independent organisations. In most cases every penny that is donated will go directly to providing the rescue service. Around 80% of the money donated to the RNLI goes to the operations budget, the remainder going on fundraising and admin.

As an illustration, let's assume that we have 5,000 members who currently each donate 10 a year to the RNLI. That brings in 50,000. It's a made up figure, but it gives some sort of idea of the order of magnitude that we're talking about.

As part of the RNLI's annual operating budget of over 100,000,000 it relatively insignificant. For an organisation like GAFIRS with annual operating costs of 35,000 who are trying to raise 300,000 to extend their building and purchase a new boat, it would be a hugely significant amount.

So if you're going to donate money for a lifeboat, why not put it where your contribution will really make difference?

Here are some candidates you might like to consider:

Gosport And Fareham Inshore Rescue Service
www.gafirs.org.uk

Cowes Inshore Lifeboat
www.cowesinshorelifeboat.org.uk

Hamble Lifeboat
www.hamblelifeboat.org.uk

Ryde Inshore Rescue
www.ryde-inshore-rescue.org.uk

Southport Offshore Rescue Trust
www.southport-lifeboat.co.uk

Severn Area Rescue Association
www.sara-rescue.org.uk

The Portishead Lifeboat Trust
www.portishead-lifeboat.org.uk

Humber Rescue
www.humber-rescue.org.uk

Hornsea Rescue
www.hornsea.rescue.btinternet.co.uk

East Sutherland Rescue Association
www.esra-dornochlifeboat.freeserve.co.uk

Loughor Inshore Lifeboat
www.sea-rescue.de/loughor-lifeboat

Haverigg Inshore Rescue
www.haverigginshore.co.uk

Following on from Mike B's brilliant fundraising auction I would like to look at other ways that we can raise money, and nominate the independent life boat organisations as RIBnet's chosen group of charities.

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Old 09 June 2004, 19:44   #2
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Good point JK, Have always supported the RNLI as I kind of feel I owe it to them as I may need them someday, but I know how much cash they have and sometimes think that they don't need it! Would be a problem if everyone stopped supporting them but as you say my donations may do more good somewhere else, so I will be supporting Humber rescue from now on!
Mike B definitely deserves congratulations and I would support your plans for Ribnet to back these other independent institutions - especially as they all(?) use ribs it's appropriate.
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I am glad somebody else has mentiond this

I am more than prepared to provide a boat and driver for any fundraising days these orginisations may have perhaps if anyone else is then a paid treasure hunt could be orgainsed
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Old 09 June 2004, 22:12   #4
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I am finding it hard to believe that you started this John and you must have your tongue firmly inside your cheek??
You are talking Amateurs v Professionals here and though the local groups may have the best will in the world, I for one know who I would rather be rescued by when the chips are really down??
Surely the more money the RNLI raise the better the equipment they can provide, unless you are suggesting that they put it all in their savings account?
Yes, the local boys can probably provide a service if you break down but what happens in real heavy weather, or if you have a serious injury onboard(I know it is emotive but you never know)?
The number of groups that you mention and I bet there are many more?? I reckon you can compare them with helping out the Fire Brigade:
I'VE GOT A FAST CAR AND A BUCKET OF WATER?
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Of course it all begs the question...why the heck is our national maritime rescue service funded only by charity anyway?

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JK,

I couldn't agree more, you only need to take a look at the new development in Poole. Millions are being spent on new buildings for the training college and offices, and although it's something that they obviously need, you have to ask if they really need to be so extravagant in design and cost.

I also have a few mates who work at the headquarters, and they can tell you some incredible stories of how money is wasted!!!

I stopped donating several years ago, and give the few meagre pounds that I can afford to my local "Waggi Tails" charity.
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I for one know who I would rather be rescued by when the chips are really down??
I think you hit the nail on the head with that comment, surely the important bit is being rescued, and I dont suppose you would really care who it was that rescued you.

Or would you tell the old lady in the rowing boat to go away, cause you'd rather wait for an Arrun Class!

And as for the fast car and bucket of water, if it puts me shed fire out it would do for me!!!
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I also agree JK......the amount of money wasted in the RNLI isunbelievable and i wouldnt want to think that my hard earned donations are being burnt this way.

OK, its a great service and a brilliant reassurance that theyre there but everything they have and do seems to be OTT.....i.e. designing their own boats from scratch and building them (atlantic 75 etc) when very very similar alternatives are available from existing manufacturers (if not better).

If we were all to donate to the independant services, they too could reach this or a similar standard of training and therefore, people would not have the opinion of them being inadequate and incapable.

Speaking with regards to my local inshore station of whom most of the crew i am friendly with, you really get to hear the truth about what they get upto etc

Not suggesting that theyre incapable for a moment but they havent all got this huge wealth of knowledge that people percieve them as having! Most of them work in offices (no disrespect) and have had no boating experience bar the odd exercise and odd RNLI training course.

If you knew the truth about some of the people on the crews, you wouldnt want them rescuing you!

Cant comment on the ALB's but i am sure that they are a different kettle of fish! In their case, you really do have to be s*it hot!!

Anyway, back to the cash situation.....a mate of mine on the crew locally is off to Cowes in a few weeks top do a 'crew' course.

As he put it...he gets a week playing on boats for free, transport/food/beer/acommodation is paid for plus he gets paid 350 to go for loss of earnings. However, hes unemployed so hes quids in!! Surely some research as to employment status on their part would save many many cases such as that and ultimately save much money.

The list goes on..........needless to say that i still respect them all for their time and effort.

Id be worried if they werent there!!

Just voicing my opinions for what their worth and speaking from experience with them!?

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Ever controversial eh JK?!

I subscribe to RNLI with regular DD payment and frankly for the national coverage I think its a worthy cause. BUT you are absolutely right there are a large number of independent rescue organisations who a JUST as professional, JUST as important and JUST as committed. They deserve our support too.

One you've missed from your list is Caister Volunteer Lifeboat:

http://www.rjt.co.uk/Caister_Lifeboat/

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OK, its a great service and a brilliant reassurance that theyre there but everything they have and do seems to be OTT.....i.e. designing their own boats from scratch and building them (atlantic 75 etc) when very very similar alternatives are available from existing manufacturers (if not better).
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same could be said for some of the indendant ILB'S some on the Island leave alot to be desired re their experience, would you want to be rescued by the RNLI if you knew they used sub standard equipment , lets not start knocking
a bloody excellent organisation, if you are worried by the standard of training experience why don,t you join as a volunteer crew member.
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