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Old 10 June 2004, 17:50   #31
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Old 10 June 2004, 18:23   #32
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Old 10 June 2004, 19:14   #33
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How could it make sense to divert funds from the RNLI to local Rescue groups when we have the coverage around the British Isles that they have given us today.
Because the independent lifeboat organisations are in more urgent need of the funding

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As boaters we are under the illisuion that we are fantastic contributors to their collections, but that is not the case atall.
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the real money comes from branch events and efforts, bequests, flag day collections, pub collections, boxes in pubs, and shops, etc events, local group efforts, race nites and so on.
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With the 4 waterfront boat clubs in Dun Laoghaire they do contribute, valuable and all as it is, in the overall scheme of things , contributions from the boating fraternity is not good atall.
Which all make it even more important to put our limited contributions where they are most urgently needed

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Another misconception people have is about the wealth of the RNLI, this needs to be dispelled. Post sept 11 2001 and the resulting dip in the equity markets, saw the institutions reserves drop from 5 years to 14 months.
The RNLI is still extraordinarily well funded. Most independent lifeboat organisations run on very limited budgets and don't have any reserves at all

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Who is as well trained, funded, supplied and maintained?
Which is my point exactly. The other organisations need the money more urgently.

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I have a personal insight into the finances of one branch, the events organised by yacht clubs, are often outweighed by sponsered walks from childrens schools, who live miles from the sea
Again, my point precisely. The RNLI has access to this type of fundraising that other organisations don't have.

If the amount of money that boaters raise is so insignificant, why are you so bothered about my suggestion?

By the way I've not addressed any of your points about people criticising the RNLI because I haven't criticised them!

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Old 10 June 2004, 19:17   #34
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As JK has said, the smaller rescue services have much smaller budgets and need our support too. The two that I am familiar with (Humber Rescue and East Sutherland) both came about due to local people finding a 'hole' in the coverage provided by the RNLI and doing something about it, and I say they need our support too!
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I agree DGL there are THOUSANDS of people alive today because of the bravery of RNLI crews we should continue to support them but dig a bit deeper if we want to support other organisations.
But we won't, will we? How many people are going to pay an RNLI subscription and give the same amount again to another lifeboat charity?

Anyway, even if you are prepared to double your contribution I'd suggest sending the whole lot to your chosen independent lifeboat because that's where the money is most urgently needed!

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So then, back to my original question...why are we relying on charity to support the national maritime rescue services anyway?

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When does a charity stop being a charity and become a business? I believe that the RNLI are at this position now and should look at how they should support the "smaller rescue stations". The RNLI is and always will be the premier rescue service but in this ever changing world of requirments it might not be the best charity to support. Keith Hart has a point and perhaps we should lobby the goverment to convert our armed forces into a charity so they can spend the money how they like. At least we will know where and how out taxes are being spent! Alan P
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So then, back to my original question...why are we relying on charity to support the national maritime rescue services anyway?

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This is probably a good thing. Step back from the "emotional" reaction... either way the UK population pays for it. But whilst it's a charity, it avoids political manipulation (from Westminster, anyway) and is master of its own destiny. Also compare the RNLI to the French (government funded) rescue service - they will give you a bill for rescue, and as some forum members know, they aren't as effective as the RNLI.

Maybe the NHS would run better as a charity - large numbers of people already "go private" by choice, so why not restructure the whole health service funding model so that it can be run as well and as efficiently as the RNLI?

As far as the 14 independent rescue services are concerned, why don't they relinquish their independence and become absorbed by the administration and funding of the RNLI? Surely this would benefit everyone, giving these stations better funding, and the coastguard a single point of contact for organising rescues.
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Cant really believe what I am reading here,
How could it make sense to divert funds from the RNLI to local Rescue groups when we have the coverage around the British Isles that they have given us today.
True its easy to come on here and bash the RNLI , but where are we when the individual fund raising branches have their AGMS, open to us all , for free, each fiscal year, an Ideal forum to voice your misgivings , and challenge the branches face to face, to the people who raise , lodge and have some control over the finances and operation of the stations.
As boaters we are under the illisuion that we are fantastic contributors to their collections, but that is not the case atall.
As boaters we certainally have the loudest opinions on how the charity is run, and what they do badly, we have a right to its our money that makes the RNLI tick!
Well this is definately not the case, the real money comes from branch events and efforts, bequests, flag day collections, pub collections, boxes in pubs, and shops, etc events, local group efforts, race nites and so on.
With the 4 waterfront boat clubs in Dun Laoghaire they do contribute, valuable and all as it is, in the overall scheme of things , contributions from the boating fraternity is not good atall.
Another misconception people have is about the wealth of the RNLI, this needs to be dispelled. Post sept 11 2001 and the resulting dip in the equity markets, saw the institutions reserves drop from 5 years to 14 months.We can all shout the odds about the RNLI ,they have been with us for 180 years, have they been getting it so wrong for so long?
Who is doing it better?
Who is as well trained, funded, supplied and maintained?

Can people seriously come on here and tell me its a bad thing to build a new headquarters, that having out grown the previous one it would have made better sense to rent a bigger one and waste money with rent paying.
Surley its more prudent to build something you can cost, finance and own, it then becomes infrastructure for the future of the Charity, a capitally appreciating asset, saving such a waste of rent?
We can be sure of one thing its easy to come on here and critise
but who has the coverage, and the professionals and the equipment to do the job better?
I have a personal insight into the finances of one branch, the events organised by yacht clubs, are often outweighed by sponsered walks from childrens schools, who live miles from the sea, in the case of Dun Laoghaire if it was deemed appropiate to divert the boating fraternitys contributions to a local Rescue unit, it would never even get off the ground, and I suspect the same in other areas.
As boaters we dont have the deepest pockets, we just shout the loudest.
You only realise how valuable something is when you dont have it.

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During Cowes week the Cowes inshore lifeboat is not allowed to raise money as the RNLI is the beneficary of the event.....how fair is that.
two years ago Cowes ILB was the nominated charity and year before that it was RNLI
each year Scandia life nominate a charity to benifit from fund raising
eg sea scouts cancer charities and so on
Cowes ILB ARE SUPPORTED BY ALL THE SAILING CLUBS IN THE AREA and
hold auctions like rib net and are supported by Benzies of COWES jeweller
president is Alan Titchmarsh of tv fame so they do ok, a point to mention
when RNLI are training in the Solent they are SAR CAPABLE
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