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Old 06 October 2006, 06:07   #151
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Have the RNLI ever taken over an Independent rescue service after assessing that their is a genuine need for cover in that area.
The only one that springs to mind is Clovelly, North Devon - but that's slightly different as the RNLI previously abandoned their station, which the locals then formed their own group to cover, until the RNLI saw the error of their ways a few years back.

Certainly the RNLI have never shown much interest in covering esturine waters, hence the fact that all the Severn rescue services are independant (SARA and Portishead LB Trust) as are a fair few around the Bristol Channel.

Don't forget that a huge proportion of the RNLI's money goes on self serving beaurocracy, flash new headquarters and their own fundraising structure.
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The only one that springs to mind is Clovelly, North Devon - but that's slightly different as the RNLI previously abandoned their station, which the locals then formed their own group to cover, until the RNLI saw the error of their ways a few years back.
Isn't this the way that most independant services appeared? Either the RNLI left the area as they believed there was sufficient overlapping cover, or the RNLI were never there as they felt there was sufficient overlapping cover?

All the independants seem to be about local people not being comfortable with the coverage provided by the RNLI... filling a percieved gap, so to speak.

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I was advised about ten years ago, by my wife's late grandfather, not to give to the RNLI because they were then so over-funded that their charitable status was in danger of being compromised!

He was, by the way, an ex full-time RNLI Mechanic with two silver medals and some vellum to his name!

Don't know whether this is still the case, but I ignored him anyway and still pay my "offshore" membership by DD
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Old 06 October 2006, 11:26   #154
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Have the RNLI ever taken over an Independent rescue service after assessing that their is a genuine need for cover in that area.
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Old 06 October 2006, 12:18   #155
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[Don't forget that a huge proportion of the RNLI's money goes on self serving beaurocracy, flash new headquarters and their own fundraising structure. [/QUOTE]

Tell that to the lives Lymington RNLI have saved this year! And that is just one station. As some of you have pointed out the collage saves the RNLI a huge amount of cash on acomadation alone and provides every crew member with specialist training in first aid, sea survival, and RYA training from Leval2 - Yachtmaster

I do support the independents but they can't do this http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-ne...0C&m=10&y=2006

I think that some independents do a great job such as Cowes, Freshwater Hamble etc Some I feel should review the way they opperate.
We are lucky enough to have the best kit available to us but the money will not last forever.

One more thing the leisure boating community make up less than 10% of the annual RNLI income.
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I do support the independents but they can't do this http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-ne...0C&m=10&y=2006
I agree a very good job was done, but why could a good independent not do this to. We train with India Juliet every six weeks so are just as trained as the RNLI in helicopter lifts.

I am not knocking the RNLI as use to be a crewmember once, just wodering your theory behind your comment.

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Old 07 October 2006, 16:50   #157
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Eh ? Hows that then ?

Agreed. I cant help but feel biggoted statements like the last but one arnt helpful. Why couldnt an independant achieve the same result ? It proves my previous comment - 'I defy anyone to show the professionalism of the RNLI crews above that of any of the independant services is not simply an issue that is resolved by equal monies... ' Fair enough - a force eight and pretty severe sea's is a challenging environment. But independants arnt just 'well meaning community busy bodies' that have too much spare time on their hands. And the fact that we do the same job, with what is often a lower spec of equipment - is a demonstration of the commitment and determination of independant crews.
Fund us to the same levels as the RNLI and I guarantee you it will be a case of 'spot the difference'.... because then not only will we perform to the same levels - as we pretty much do now, but we'll look something like with our new shiny kit as well !
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I may not of explained myself very well I am not questioning the skill and dedication of an independant just the equipment they have to hand.

In closing I would say support who you can but please don't support the RNLI because you think they have too much money.
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I'm sorry but I just do not believe that this thread is still running. Please can we get to the points (below) and then forget all the arguing.

1. We have the best lifesaving service in the world in the RNLI.
2. We have the best independent lifesaving volunteers in the world.
3. Both require funding in order to avoid either of the services deteriorating.
4. It is in OUR interest to make sure that the relevant local service is maintained.
5. In order to do that simply look around you, understand who is likely to be involved in assisting you/other coastal users and then fund one, the other or both!

But above all PLEASE STOP ARGUING ABOUT THE MERITS OF THEM ON HERE AND REALISE HOW LUCKY WE ARE!!!!
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I was advised about ten years ago, by my wife's late grandfather, not to give to the RNLI because they were then so over-funded that their charitable status was in danger of being compromised!

He was, by the way, an ex full-time RNLI Mechanic with two silver medals and some vellum to his name!

Don't know whether this is still the case, but I ignored him anyway and still pay my "offshore" membership by DD
If this were still the case then perhaps the RNLI could kill 2 birds with one stone and make a sizeable donation to the independents and everyones happy
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