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Old 08 September 2007, 02:56   #31
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I can't think of any racing hardboats I would prefer over a RIB such as an FB Techno 42 for travelling at high speeds in rough conditions. .
Plenty of people falling out of boats like the one you've quoted, but lets face it, those wee fishing boats with chairs on stalks at the bow, bowriders and the plethera of flimsy little blinged up speed boats you have over there are not representative of the kind of boats I would use as comparative craft to mine, or any other more serious saltwater hardboats. ....Hadly surprising you have a long list of idiots falling out of their boats......Only in America!
I really don't think you'd find such a boat (little aluminum thing, with a chair on a stick) tearing about in the Solent at speed, not for long anyway.

An interesting point about cockpits and true, but what percentage of pleasure ribs do you reckon have a 'proper cockpit' ?? I can tell you, over here, virtually none, which is why I made the point in the first place. Care to post a few pics of cockpited ribs in your neck of the woods (no library pics please, just your own).

Funny too how you Yanks are always compelled to remind us what a small country we live in (on) odd that innit! must be summat to do with the mentality...not sure of the relevance.

Anyways...

The Techno is indeed a fine high speed rough water boat, one of, if not THE best, but that isn't because it's a rib.
Buzzi has built a good few ultra capable ribs, he also builds the very same boats with topsides, those boats are just as capable, don't suffer the indignity of repeated tube failure unlike their rubbered sisters and in a few cases on the extreme performance models, the rib version has been dropped because it became a little too common place for them to develop a very high speed tube walk (bouncing from tube to tube) resulting in a barrel roll. The hard version doesn't suffer from that.

Don't get me wrong, if the conditions are such that one is required to lolop along, and through mountainous seas, at very low speed and with decks constantly awash, an unsinkable boat with mamouth natural deck drainage would be my first choice over a super fast design aswell. Still not sure I'd bother with rubber tubes mind you, as those attributes are easily available without the use of such delicate and voulnerable bouyancy.

But VERY few of you ribbers ever 'actually' use your boats in the conditions you all constantly quote them as being so suitable for anyway.
It's a weird obsession with perceived rough water ability that seems to go hand in hand with Bowie knives, cammo trousers and an obsession with danger, weapons and macho attitudes.
The reality seems to be, (over here at least) that when the weather's bad, there's just as many ribnobbas heading back in, or choosing not to make the passage as any other boating genre (excepting the sailing mob, who are all barmy) whilst you all talk as if that's the weather you're waiting for to make it actually worth going out at all.

You're a funny lot.....All 'wannabe' lifeboatmen I reckon. I'm sure there aught to be a medial term for it.

And back to the original point, trawl through these forums and see how many ejection stories you find (at surprisingly low speeds) and compare that with a performance hard boat forum (such as the excellent boatmad.com ) and you find hardly any, in fact, virtualy none, and the average speeds those users are commonly doing is probably twice that of the average wannabe marine/lifeboatmen.
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Old 08 September 2007, 03:58   #32
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What would happen if you filled one of your speed boats full of water, how long would it take to drain or would it capsize?
Fill a RIB with water and it will drain within a minute and still float.
You don't have to be a genius to work out which is the better boat but then you'll tell me the RNLI have been using the wrong sort of boat for inshore rescue since the 70's.
The RNLI used hard boats for inshore rescue but they stability is no where near that of a RIB. You try capsizing your bit of tupperware and righting it again and see what happens.
I think we should do the capsize test before we even think about running them head and head!

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..It's a weird obsession with perceived rough water ability that seems to go hand in hand with Bowie knives, cammo trousers and an obsession with danger, weapons and macho attitudes.
Oi, I object to that, I wear pink knickers and tights.
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That's cos they're southern woosies not cos they're ribnobbas.
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Unfortunately, I can't find an argument against that.

Cumon, tell us who's feird of the rain...

What I don't understand is the need to go at a zillion miles an hour when going somewhere. I go boating to go boating. If I go too fast I get there too soon and then what, sit in a pub? Why would I want to do that?
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If I go too fast I get there too soon and then what, sit in a pub? Why would I want to do that?
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Course, I'd never accuse anyone with a leviathan of anything like that
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What I don't understand is the need to go at a zillion miles an hour when going somewhere. I go boating to go boating. If I go too fast I get there too soon and then what, sit in a pub? Why would I want to do that?

The sailing crowd have the exact same argument for you doing 30knts.

I don't do pubs, they tend to be full of ribbers with a bucket full of tall stories about 50 foot seas and big willies!
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I would suggest politely that Jonny Fuller stop insulting everyone who has a RIB , stop trying to compensate for some kind of defficiency ( as already suggested) by banging on by how 'good' hard boats are ( maybe the only hard thing in his life ???) and assuming he clealry knows best about everything nautical.

I have a RIB as it wont sink if its full of water ( fairly important for a boat ! ) , I can know that my kids dont have to climb a 3 ft vertical wall to get in after skiing swimming etc & we can all sit on the same side & only have a minor list.

I shall now stop ready the long over complicated posts - if I want a race boat I would buy one - I dont so I got a rib - I have yet to see a boat I can fit in my garage that I can get several people & kit in safely & still be safe in bad weather - but hey I am not Jonny Fuller so clearly I must be a twat !
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You only seem to reply to certain posts John, I see you haven't explained to me why the RNLI should use hard boats rather than RIBS. Thats because you know RIBs are the best boats for the job.
You obviously have nothing better to do with your life than try and upset people.
Why don't don't you chat on a forum about hard boats... is it because no onw will talk to you because all that you come out with is shite?
What about the cost of buying RIBs, most are cheaper than hard boats but then thats probably slipped your simple little mind to.
If you like your hard boat go tell someone who cares.
The name of this forum gives it away "Rib.net" not

www.I've.got.a.hardboat.and.its.better.than.yours. net
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The sailing crowd have the exact same argument for you doing 30knts...
Aye, but I do want to arrive before the tide goes out.
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You only seem to reply to certain posts John, I see you haven't explained to me why the RNLI should use hard boats rather than RIBS. Thats because you know RIBs are the best boats for the job.
You obviously have nothing better to do with your life than try and upset people.
Why don't don't you chat on a forum about hard boats... is it because no onw will talk to you because all that you come out with is shite?
What about the cost of buying RIBs, most are cheaper than hard boats but then thats probably slipped your simple little mind to.
If you like your hard boat go tell someone who cares.
The name of this forum gives it away "Rib.net" not

www.I've.got.a.hardboat.and.its.better.than.yours. net
i wasnt going to comment on this thread but you REALLY do need to check your facts out about the prices of ribs and hard boats
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Another good saturdays fishing, and all I had for bait, is a few good strong egos and over imaginative minds.

Just off to see if the boat'll fit in the garage.

PS. I'd love to see this 4m boat, full of family and 'kit' (whatever the hell that means) out in bad weather! would that be bad weather of the hard boat, or soft boat catagory?

Honestly....you lot make my weekends.

might also go in search of hard boat site to talk some more shite. (that I've learned here)

PPS. Carl is right, you're also deluded about prices! RIBs are well over priced, coz you lot are suckers.
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