DIY Suspension seat?

[willk]

Originally Posted by Poly

They are nice bling in leisure boats but I'm sceptical that most weekend leisure users really need them.

Dunno - would have been nice that day you were driving....

[jambo]

Originally Posted by willk

Dunno - would have been nice that day you were driving....

Yes I saw the bottom of your rib a few times that day!!


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[Poly]

Originally Posted by willk

Dunno - would have been nice that day you were driving....

Nonsense - the hull was perfectly capable of a smooth landing! Now the Isle of Man trip a few years back... but even then with someone who knew what they were doing at the helm it was remarkably smooth ...although there are a couple of guys who have never stepped onto a boat since!

Yes I saw the bottom of your rib a few times that day!!

my instructions were clear - keep the prop in the water - nobody mentioned the hull!

[willk]

Originally Posted by Poly

my instructions were clear - keep the prop in the water - nobody mentioned the hull!

You'd make a good lawyer...

[tom's]

Originally Posted by Poly

Not really the injury would have been caused by driving hard off the top of a wave and landing in a big hole - skipper error not the seat. The downside of suspension seats is they lead you into a false sense of security by compensating for lots of minor bangs, but they aren't miracle machines and if you go off a cliff its still going to hurt. They aren't really intended to avoid the massive big shock - they are to avoid the repetitive low-mid level stuff that fatigues you on a long bouncy day, or adds up over a long period to sustained damage.

They are nice bling in leisure boats but I'm sceptical that most weekend leisure users really need them.

It is true that the suspended jockey seats have their limitations, but all are not equal in terms of cushioning! Today, more and more manufacturers use shock absorbers with air spring and adjustable preload. This solution can reduce or stop the risk of bottoming, and the injury than they can cause.

Look at this: Maritime Journal - Scot Seats Marine launch

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by tom's

It is true that the suspended jockey seats have their limitations, but all are not equal in terms of cushioning! Today, more and more manufacturers use shock absorbers with air spring and adjustable preload. This solution can reduce or stop the risk of bottoming, and the injury than they can cause.

Look at this: Maritime Journal - Scot Seats Marine launch

I would agree.
I've had them for a few seasons now,and while every thing has its limits,QUALITY (and the clue is in the name)"Shock mitigation" seats or systems are a real Bonus and IMO a Boon!...to BOTH comfort and safety.
For me they do enhance the Boating experience,especially if you enjoy rough weather Ribbing,and or indulge in long passages.
Can you get away without them? Of course you can..we've all managed for years.
But...things move on and improvements are made....look how far car suspension technology has improved over the years....with most vehicle users having a pretty soft ride before! Compared to Ribbers!
Hopefully prices will come down in the future as more manufacturers get involved,but this kit does take some serious Cosh!...and needs top quality design and materials!...As in all things.. Leading to high costs.
It does worry me that people in thier attempt to produce homemade,cheaper versions may do themselves or thier family/friends very serious injuries when it doesn't work out how they'd hoped!

[Lark]

I agree Maximus, any DIY solution needs to be properly engineered. I've done some maths and my current issue is that I can't get sufficient travel into the device, if it sits on top of my existing jockey seat pod... unless I grow about a foot....

[Ribochet]

Originally Posted by Maximus

I would agree.
I've had them for a few seasons now,and while every thing has its limits,QUALITY (and the clue is in the name)"Shock mitigation" seats or systems are a real Bonus and IMO a Boon!...to BOTH comfort and safety.
For me they do enhance the Boating experience,especially if you enjoy rough weather Ribbing,and or indulge in long passages.
Can you get away without them? Of course you can..we've all managed for years.
But...things move on and improvements are made....look how far car suspension technology has improved over the years....with most vehicle users having a pretty soft ride before! Compared to Ribbers!
Hopefully prices will come down in the future as more manufacturers get involved,but this kit does take some serious Cosh!...and needs top quality design and materials!...As in all things.. Leading to high costs.
It does worry me that people in thier attempt to produce homemade,cheaper versions may do themselves or thier family/friends very serious injuries when it doesn't work out how they'd hoped!

Totally agree - to have them is to understand

[gtflash]

Any more updates or ideas. I am getting dangerously close to having to make something or buy them. Curious to know how the ulman like units work without a hinge?

[dave3235]

Originally Posted by gtflash

Any more updates or ideas. I am getting dangerously close to having to make something or buy them. Curious to know how the ulman like units work without a hinge?

Hi all

Here's a good solid starting point.What about the back end of a motor crosser seat and swinging arm without the wheel.

[A1an]

Funny this thread should come up.

I was driving my tractor today (which has a very comfortable pneumatic seat) and it got me thinking how hard or easy it would be to adapt it for a RIB.

Silly I know but I have a lot of time to think when doing a 14 mile round trip to feed silage to the stags.

[Bigtalljv]

I have friends who are engineers, welders, and water jet operators. The engineers aren't much help other than to say the seat bases aren't rocket science. Any reason we can't make up some real plans? An open source suspension seat? Probably insurance reasons but if you aren't selling them we should make a set of real DIY plans. One of the simpler crisscross style.

Jason

[kerny]

A couple of these on top of yer jockey seats would do..

[gtflash]

Originally Posted by kerny

A couple of these on top of yer jockey seats would do..

Harley styleeeeeeee

I think some of the seats ont he market are overly complicated. Ike the tractor seat. Up and down, jobs a gooden

[Poly]

Originally Posted by gtflash

Harley styleeeeeeee

I think some of the seats ont he market are overly complicated. Ike the tractor seat. Up and down, jobs a gooden

Are the shocks only in a perfectly vertical plane on a rib?

Scotseats, have supplied truck style suspension seats (Kab) for cabin ribs for years. I assume they don't like getting sea water on them though (as never seen on an open Rib). Presumably a reason why they have a different, rather than just water resistant design for open boats.

[Stefan63]

Originally Posted by bedajim

Yep here's a couple I threw together too

Dampers took some setting up but good now

Your seats looks like a almost perfect Ullman Compact clone!
Can you give me some details in regards of the damper you used plaese.
I would also like to know if you used carbon plates as springs and in that case the dimentions of the carbon plates.

Best regards/Stefan

[Maximus]

Anyone heard how Paul Lemar is faring?..,
I heard he had incurred a Bad Back injury quite recently whilst useing a recognised purpose made shock mitigation seat??

[gtflash]

Originally Posted by Maximus

Anyone heard how Paul Lemar is faring?..,
I heard he had incurred a Bad Back injury quite recently whilst useing a recognised purpose made shock mitigation seat??

Spill

[Pikey Dave]

I do believe that Paul sustained a spinal injury whilst out testing a RIB driven by HMS. The boat was fitted with proprietary UK made suspension seats.
Allegedly 😏


.....sh1t happens.......

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

I do believe that Paul sustained a spinal injury whilst out testing a RIB driven by HMS. The boat was fitted with proprietary UK made suspension seats.
Allegedly 😏


.....sh1t happens.......

Just heard the basics on the Grapevine..
Sorry to hear of any Bad injury,and hopfully he's on the mend!
Bound to come out in the wash...but I wonder if it'll be reported in HMS's Mag?