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Old 22 July 2004, 10:56   #21
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i have to agree with you all about the most humane way to kill something but take a Lobster for instance..... the most humane way and the quickest way to kill it is to cleve it in half straight down the middle, this way the central nervous system is cut and the thing dies instantly, but try getting hold of the poor creature and pinning it down and then positioning the knife along the lenght of the shell, its not easy ! so you put it in the fridge for a few hours and it half freezes to death slowing it down thus making it easier to kill, so is this really humane after all, i suppose it must be akin to tortouring a death row prisoner before his execution !!
The other way to kill a lobster is by placing it in boiling water, bring the water to the boil in a very large pan with a lid on, let it come off the boil and drop the lobster in and close the lid, slowly bring the water back to the boil, if you drop it straight into boiling water the shell opens and water gets into the meat, by bringing it just off the boil the shell wont open and the meat wont absorb any water, boil for approx 7 minutes per pound. Alternative is to steam the lobster, but i think you need to double the cooking time.
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Old 22 July 2004, 12:01   #22
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Not done the fridge but have put crabs in the freeze they just shut down & go to sleep not to wake up! Well this is what I was told.
Manos when I was a boy & my mother bred sheep we always new which one we where eating! They where given names & then butchered they ended up in the freezer with the name on the bag!
Fish you get in the supper Marquette has not bean fished for its been dragged up from the bottom with dirty big nets brining every thing up wanted or not!
I do not think that fishing by line can ever compare!
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Old 22 July 2004, 12:07   #23
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Manos...you have to remember that the meds been over fished for years and there is absolutely nothing left, you guys eat the entire lot.

Besides this cow hunting is a national past time in the UK
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Have to agree that any dispatch must be humane and quick - whether this is a fish, bird or animal. I would rather eat a fish, bird or animal that I have humanely despatched as I will know how this has been done and how the food item has been prepared. How do you know how a cow has been treated at the abbatoir? Standing there whilst its companion has disappeared first! I would rather eat a phesant/ pigeon/ rabbit/ deer/ that had a good life and was then humanely dispatched!

Slight change from original question - but looking forward to some fishing off cornwall in August. (and eating!)
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Old 22 July 2004, 13:13   #25
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*&^% off

I guess our harpooning method has outraged a few of you: it is done the world over. Sorry for being a barbarian. Yes, I certainly believe in killing things as quickly as possible, but sometimes it does not happen. Halibut harpooned through the head/gills do not last long. They can be shot, but that has its problems, too. "GO TO THE SUPERMARKET FOR MEAT?" Wake up! Those fish are landed and lie in the hull till they sufficate. "You don't shoot cows, do you?" Yes, as a matter of fact I do. You just let someone else shoot yours; big difference. As far as "fishermen depleting the resources" that is pretty emotional and senseless. What difference does it make who catches them? Ever eat turkey? I used to work on a turkey farm; I had the unpleasant job of slitting the throat of about 3000 turkeys every Tuesday during harvest season. Chickens get their heads chopped off; no anesthetics.
Ever see wolves kill a moose? They start eating before the thing is anywhere near dead; pretty gross, but that is the cycle of things. Nature is pretty brutal; I do the best I can to minimize the suffering of anything that has (unwillingly) given its life for me. "What size?" The largest so far has been 115 lbs. Now, let's get back to talking about RHIBS. john
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115lbs! Now I see why you don't just pull it in!!
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I guess our harpooning method has outraged a few of you: it is done the world over.
..and that makes it right, does it?

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Sorry for being a barbarian. .
..and so you should be.

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Wake up! Those fish are landed and lie in the hull till they sufficate. .
Firstly, you condescending buffoon, I am pretty much awake. Secondly if you read my post, I said that I would prefer to be able to choose meat/fish/fowl that has been humanely despatched, but we, as consumers, are yet to be offered the luxury of that choice.

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Ever see wolves kill a moose? They start eating before the thing is anywhere near dead; pretty gross, but that is the cycle of things. Nature is pretty brutal;.
Yes, "nature" can seem very savage indeed. But, since the Wolf doesn't have the luxury of having any other way of killing and feeding itself, what do you expect? Or you arrogant enough to compare you harpooning a Halibut to a Wolf hunting?


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I do the best I can to minimize the suffering of anything that has (unwillingly) given its life for me.
How? By letting it die slowly trying to free itself from your bouy and harpoon trick? I was always taught, if you haven't got the "firepower" or tools for a quick despatch, don't take the shot....must be different these days, huh?



If you hadn't been so crass as to title your post *&^% off, I might have just ignored you.... but .........
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a tad testy, are we?

I guess some folks have a tad of a hair trigger, and also take a broadcast statement too personally. I did not mean to offend anyone, especially anyone in particular; if I had I would have called him/her on the telephone and spoken it. "*&^% off" can be interpreted in various ways, btw. Take a chill pill (that is just American slang for "relax"). Good boating. j
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...for this reason its better to dispatch the prey quickly before it knows its about to die....we really should get Phil Davies input on this as he kills things quite oftern, though does shooting them out of the sky count in this case, i'd suggest harpooning a fish and letting it swim around dragging a bouy till it either dies of exhaustion or blood lose would make for a pretty horrific way to die, image killing a cow in this way ?
Good points, Rich. All I would say is that it behoves any member of the shooting or fishing fraternity to despatch one's quarry as swiftly and humanely as possible, and with the minimum of suffering - which is why if you can't use a shotgun with any reasonable degree of marksmanship or don't have a trained gundog, you shouldn't be allowed out with a gun.

Funny how shooting has always attracted much greater opposition from the anti-fieldsports lobby than fishing, and yet in reality fishing invariably inflicts a far slower death on the quarry than shooting. I eat what I shoot or give it away to people who enjoy eating fresh game. If the hypocritical public ever knew the extent of the suffering endured by animals in slaughter houses, they'd think twice about slagging off fieldsports. My girlfriend lives opposite a butcher's in Anglesey where they slaughter on the premises. Yes, the use of bolt guns effects an instantaneous despatch, but what is not generally realised is that the animals are kept in pens the night before they're killed. If you've ever heard the crying, squealing and wailing of distressed livestock who can smell the blood of the slaughter house, you'd never touch a neatly sellophaned pack of meat in Tesco's again.
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