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Old 31 January 2017, 15:06   #1
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Dealer or dealer agency and papers needed

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I am just about to buy a boat from a private seller in fife and importing it to Israel (new developments came out and dropped meanwhile chinese rib i was about to get)

I may need a dealer/boat agency to help with the buying process. Any recommendation for a good dealer/agency in fife?

2. Do you know about ce and certificate of origin papers where can i get it from?

3. Shipping companies around fife (by sea)?

Many thanks
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Old 31 January 2017, 17:02   #2
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Hi people
I am just about to buy a boat from a private seller in fife and importing it to Israel (new developments came out and dropped meanwhile chinese rib i was about to get)

I may need a dealer/boat agency to help with the buying process. Any recommendation for a good dealer/agency in fife?

2. Do you know about ce and certificate of origin papers where can i get it from?

3. Shipping companies around fife (by sea)?

Many thanks
Sameh
Mmm... now I don't want to ruin your plans but:

i. I wouldn't expect to find any experts in exporting small recreational boats in Fife, indeed probably in Scotland as a whole. There simply aren't enough boats around and only a tiny fraction will be going overseas.
ii. Boats in the UK come with surprisingly little paperwork, have little in the way of registration and this seems to cause overseas buyers some headaches. If it is the right age the original manufacturer might be able to help with the CE paperwork. Certificate of Origin could be hard work and expensive (especially if someone has to get in legalised at the Chamber of Commerce).
iii. Presumably this would either be in a container or a truck? If a container there is no container terminal in Fife (AFAIK), but their is one just across the Forth in Grangemouth. If it would move across Europe by truck then there is a Freight only ferry from Rosyth to Zeebrugge - the advantage there would be a number of different suppliers might be able to quote, not sure if they go those distances but perhaps try Shiply? If its going by container you might want to try someone like Caledonian Freight Forwarders who are a stone's throw from the container terminal. Personally I might be inclined to use a local agent (i.e. someone in Israel) to coordinate it, as they will be well versed in the import rules which are probably more complex than our export rules.
iv. Are you sure the boat exists?
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Old 31 January 2017, 18:01   #3
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The man to contact re boats in Fife would be Davie from the forum he is in Dundee he may be willing to help (if suitably paid for his time) with collection & or evaluation of the boat but no idea if he'd help with the paperwork that's realy a job for a freight forwarder
Peters and may are the biggest boat shipper in the uk they may be able to advise
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Old 31 January 2017, 19:09   #4
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Why does this have alarm bells all over it...

Man buys boat from fife to overseas, with a middle man involved in the delivery...?
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Is CE certification needed for Israel?

Knowing the make of Rib would help.
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Old 01 February 2017, 05:39   #6
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Mmm... now I don't want to ruin your plans but:

i. I wouldn't expect to find any experts in exporting small recreational boats in Fife, indeed probably in Scotland as a whole. There simply aren't enough boats around and only a tiny fraction will be going overseas.
ii. Boats in the UK come with surprisingly little paperwork, have little in the way of registration and this seems to cause overseas buyers some headaches. If it is the right age the original manufacturer might be able to help with the CE paperwork. Certificate of Origin could be hard work and expensive (especially if someone has to get in legalised at the Chamber of Commerce).
iii. Presumably this would either be in a container or a truck? If a container there is no container terminal in Fife (AFAIK), but their is one just across the Forth in Grangemouth. If it would move across Europe by truck then there is a Freight only ferry from Rosyth to Zeebrugge - the advantage there would be a number of different suppliers might be able to quote, not sure if they go those distances but perhaps try Shiply? If its going by container you might want to try someone like Caledonian Freight Forwarders who are a stone's throw from the container terminal. Personally I might be inclined to use a local agent (i.e. someone in Israel) to coordinate it, as they will be well versed in the import rules which are probably more complex than our export rules.
iv. Are you sure the boat exists?
Poly, first of all, thanks a lot for your response..it is clear to me that you have serious knowledge about this issue! you have mentioned very important topics.

Let me put some recent updates i have done and let me hear your opinion know:
first thing: I have received from the seller what is called Declaration of Conformity that was originally provided to the seller when he bought it from the manufacturer. I am checking now locally if this is the needed paper. I believe it is hopefully. I think the boat itself has the tag on the transom as seen in the pictures so it looks that it has been taken care of. is this the part you mentioned that sometimes doesnot exist due to regulations not demanding that? or is there another thing apart from putting the tag on the transom?

I have supported all information to local custom agent who is working on the process now. hopefully would arrange proper pickup and shipping with a good price and then I won't have to deal with that by myself.


as for the boat if it really exist? on papers it does. i have faith in its advertiser, but of course money would be transferred in a way to protect both sides (probably letter of credit-which is bank to back transfer on conditional release of money).

as for agent, i may stop seeking for a broker..i was told by the custom agent here that it is possible also for a private seller to support an invoice.
by the way, any idea how?

anyway, would love your reply based on the new updates...
thanks alot for your support
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Old 01 February 2017, 05:41   #7
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The man to contact re boats in Fife would be Davie from the forum he is in Dundee he may be willing to help (if suitably paid for his time) with collection & or evaluation of the boat but no idea if he'd help with the paperwork that's realy a job for a freight forwarder
Peters and may are the biggest boat shipper in the uk they may be able to advise
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with the recent updates i have posted in my previous post it may not be necessary but it may turn to be so..I would love getting his details..is he called in this forum Davie?
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Yes he is an outboards dealer definitely worth a pm to
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Why does this have alarm bells all over it...

Man buys boat from fife to overseas, with a middle man involved in the delivery...?
poly has a point. I know of friends who regretted making the deal because of many regulations that you may not be aware of when closing the deal if not doing basic research. also there are situations of con people who can easily get your money and provide you with nothing..so, ordering a boat when you are not physically at the spot can be dangerous, or at least you would feel many worries..
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Is CE certification needed for Israel?

Knowing the make of Rib would help.
I am checking now what is needed exactly by the Israeli ministry of transportation when it is UK boat. with Chinese boats CE is a demand, or else you may find yourself doing a lot of costly checks to get your boat registered or even not get it licensed at all. here a boat it is like a car, alot of demands
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