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Old 30 December 2006, 18:44   #11
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I have, in fact I was trying to separate one from its owner before I bought the RIB but he wouldn't sell. Two months later it was up for sale for a lot less than I paid for the RIB and damn don't I wish I had waited with what's happened since but its now been sold again and its the only privately owned one here AFAIK.

The trouble is the ones available ex-MOD all seem to need a huge amount of work doing and the other problem is that they either need loads of power (twin Suz DF140s on the Defence Force one here) and that means loads of fuel and will limit my use, or with a smaller power unit they aren't that quick - and I must admit I have grown fond of the fun side of 30 knots in the last few months


On a separate question but related to the issue, has anybody got any comments about the likely performance of a 5.5m 80hp Vipermax versus a 5.8m 115hp? Jono has got an excellent deal on both and I wondered if I could save 5 grand and go for the smaller one without losing too much fun...?

Save the 5 grand.

Seems like you guys in the Falklands have got too much money. Have you struck oil

Er maybe thats why that little Battle group went down there 25 years ago.
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Old 30 December 2006, 19:56   #12
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Save the 5 grand.

Seems like you guys in the Falklands have got too much money. Have you struck oil

Er maybe thats why that little Battle group went down there 25 years ago.
No, but I have share options in one of the companies that will benefit if we do, and that is what might be paying for the new boat

Maybe it was, and I think the faith will be well placed within the next couple of years. Not many oil-producing parts of the world that have no terrorists but there ain't too many round these parts
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Old 31 December 2006, 15:37   #13
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I would go for a Mariner 2 Stroke as dead simple if anything goes wrong.

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Couldn't agree more - but to change the thread slightly what's your understanding of how much longer 2 stroke will (a) be able to be sold, and (b) be able to be used in the EU/UK - various sources have told me the French and various "green" groups are trying to get the ban made retrospective so all 2 strokes are outlawed....

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Old 31 December 2006, 16:10   #14
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how much longer 2 stroke will (a) be able to be sold
Old Tecnology 2 strokes stop being sold in the uk somtime 2007, and stop being made in a couple of years as military/commercial users need time to adjust.

Optimax & Etec will obviously continue.

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how much longer 2 stroke will (b) be able to be used in the EU/UK - various sources have told me the French and various "green" groups are trying to get the ban made retrospective so all 2 strokes are outlawed....
What a load of cobblers, how would they ever police it !

I think this as been covered time & time again on various threads, so im not gonna go on about here.

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Old 31 December 2006, 16:29   #15
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Thanks Jono, reassuring news.

Think the confusion arose as some inland waterways were looking at banning all 2-stroke : this would be quite easy to police as a licencing system exists.

Think they may be dropping the idea pretty quickly in the light of planned budget cuts for BW though...
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Think the confusion arose as some inland waterways were looking at banning all 2-stroke : this would be quite easy to police as a licencing system exists.
Totally agree

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On a separate question but related to the issue, has anybody got any comments about the likely performance of a 5.5m 80hp Vipermax versus a 5.8m 115hp? Jono has got an excellent deal on both and I wondered if I could save 5 grand and go for the smaller one without losing too much fun...?
Stephen, size does matter If you have the necessary go for the bigger one. Believe me, I have been there. If the seas are as bad down there as I have read from yourself somewhere, and you get caught out in it, you will not regret that extra outlay!
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(b) be able to be used in the EU/UK - various sources have told me the French and various "green" groups are trying to get the ban made retrospective so all 2 strokes are outlawed....
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Various places in California tried this (succeeded, to a degree), but the ban had to be done based on emissions output, rather than mechanical type.

This resulted in a couple of lakes (Tahoe and, what, Almanor?) banning any motor that did not meet CARB (Calif Air Resources Board) 2001 emissions specifications, or the Federal EPA (US Environmental Protection Agency) 2006 specs. In effect, this bans any non-Direct Injection 2-stroke motor. Currently, all 4-strokes, diesels, and Direct Injection 2-strokes (Ficht, Optimax and E-Tec's are prime examples) are still legal to run on these lakes (actually, if a non-DI 2-stroke met the CARB or EPA specs and were certified as such, which none of them are, they'd be allowed to run also.)

There has been talk of an outright ban on 2-strokes, but I can't see it happening given the newer cleaner burning technologies. Of course, I've been wrong before, so who knows.

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Old 01 January 2007, 14:44   #19
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Stephen, size does matter If you have the necessary go for the bigger one. Believe me, I have been there. If the seas are as bad down there as I have read from yourself somewhere, and you get caught out in it, you will not regret that extra outlay!
Thanks, 1 vote for the bigger one then. The thing is, 5 grand is a lot of money (a third more) for basically a foot more boat (ok and a bigger engine!), and I wouldn't have thought that it made much difference. I can see that a metre increase would make a noticeable difference in terms of bridging wave crests at speed etc. - but only a little ickle 30cm?

Anyway it now looks like nigh on 3 months before I get this thing fixed properly so not exactly a big hurry to make a decision...

Has anybody been on or been with 5.5m boats alongside 5.8 in the same conditions on the same day and noticed much difference? For me it is the difference between being able to afford it without massive hardship and being quite a stretch to find the cash for the more expensive one - though that is the one I would like!
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Old 01 January 2007, 15:16   #20
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What about some sort of compromise - go for the larger boat, but cut back on some of the add-ons. Less seating, for example, or ditch the A frame.
Perhaps the electronics package could be trimmed back and do you need a brand new trailer?.......
As and when funds allow, these items can always be added later, but you'll struggle to add another foot to the length of the hull
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