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Old 27 January 2004, 16:17   #1
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crossing the channel > holland to england.. TIPS wanted

He Guys,

I currently own a joker clubman 20'' flatfloor (rescue version) with a Yam F100 at the transom..

It is CE certificated so I had this idea to take it to a trip to England..

As I spend some time on the water but do not have to much experience in crossing the open water for a longer period of time, I would be very happy with tips on this subject..

What equipment is needed minimally..
How much fuel ?
time ?
what to take into account

any tips are appreciated !

look at the photo to see get an idea what boat I own..

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Old 28 January 2004, 04:27   #2
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What equipment is needed minimally..

GPS, VHF, Chart(s), Insurance and ownership documents

How much fuel ?

As much as you can carry really, you know how much the engine uses and allow for the weather turning and the crossing taking twice as long as it should.

time ?

Depends on the weather.

I dont pretend to have even crossed the channel myself but we spent the whole of last summer waiting for a friend to buy his rib so that we could do it in company the first time, then we decided we'd buy a new boat ova the winter so still havent got round to going to france.

Set yourself a weeks holiday to do the trip, or at least a long weekend so that hopefully you will get a weather window to do the trip.
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Old 28 January 2004, 07:22   #3
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The shortest route x channel for your area would be Ostend - Harwich about 80 miles;if your range is better than than that come straight across from Flushing etc. Note that 10 miles down the coast from Ostend at Nieweport you can refuel dockside.

Harwich is an all tide all weather port and there are 3 marinas in the Orwell river not too far from the entrance .Suffolk Yacht Harbour has dockside petrol.

There are no nav hazards in the crossing itself but there are 2 separation zones which you must cross at right angles

Both the coasts have sand or other banks which should not cause a problem in terms of depth except at very low water BUT the shallowness will result in uncomfortable conditions in a wind against tide situation.Having said that the Southern North Sea is rarely flat in any event.There are sufficient deeper water approaches on both sides to avoid the worst of this but I would not expect you to cross without a reasonable weather window.

If for some reason you preferred to stay coastal as far as possible then run down to Calais where your x channel distance will be only 22 miles to Dover

If you have any other queries I will try to help
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Old 28 January 2004, 14:13   #4
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TNX!

Hi Simmons and Phil,

Thanks for your reply ! very usefull..

some further questions based your replies..
(warning: there could be some stupid questions..)

- What are seperation zones ?

- If in go in the summer, on a day with not to much wind, what could be a realistic cruising speed (min/max)

- How important is the time of crossing in relation to the tide ?

- For the first time it could be a good idea to try the calais / dover crossing first..

- Phil: did you ever did de X-ing with your Humber (if your profile is still up to date..)
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Old 29 January 2004, 06:18   #5
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To be honest if you do not know what a separation zone is then you would not appear ready to cross.They are in fact areas where shipping is separated in relation to their direction of travel just like a motorway with a notional central reservation;take a look on a chart of the channel or southern north sea and you will them depicted.You can be heavily fined if you proceed in the wrong direction;have a look at:_

www.mcga.gov.uk; go to newsroom - prosecutions - 2002 and scroll down there is a diagram attached to the description of the case against "HoneybourneIII

What navigation and safety equipment do you have?

As far as speed is concerned assume your normal cruising speed on the basis that the conditions are good and adjust accordingly.

Tidal drift obviously depends on speed and distance-in a fast boat for a couple of hours it will be fairly minimal

I have made a number of crossings in the Humber
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Hi Mervyn,
I appreciate your sense of adventure but as Phil says it seems you might not be quite ready for this crossing just yet.

Will you take on board a more experienced person?
Will you first get some boating instruction and qualification from a properly qualified instructor?
Will you set out on this journey in the company of another boat/crew who have done this trip before?

We would love to see you come to England but we would hate to be responsible for tempting you into trouble because of your lack of experience.

To coin an old phrase:
" There are many old ribsters
and there are many bold ribsters
but there are not many old, bold ribsters"
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Old 29 January 2004, 12:17   #7
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mervyn,
Where do you launch your boat in holland?
I just send you a PM
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to give you an idea of the crossing and separation zones
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Old 29 January 2004, 15:19   #9
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thanks all

Phil (especially , brain,

Thanks again for your feedback..
Think your both right about me being not
ready at the moment the cross the channel..
(at least not with my own boat..)

But what I do know now is what to 'work' on
and keep in mind.

My plan now is as following:

> first get my VHF (marifoon it is called in Holland) license..
> First try some serious runs along the dutch coasts
> Then do a crossing to on of our own Islands
(texel if you ever heard of that )
> Then find some company to make the crossing .. ( Somebody already contacted me on this subject.)

Phil, thanks for the nice picture of map,
Brain, thanks for your 'cautious words'

Amazing how much 1 little post helps !

Good ribbing to you to ! I'll come back to you in case of !

see ya,

grtz. Mervyn
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FOR RENE (in dutch.)

Hoi Rene,

Ik woon in Utrecht, dus ik vaar veel op de lek..
De prettigste helling vind ik Ameide, zo'n 20 minuten van Utrecht, richting Rotterdam..

Soms ook loosdrecht bij een camping daarzo, echter niet zo interessant, want overdag snelheidbeperkingen...

Almere Haven is ook OK, vooral als je het IJ, markermeer en ijsselmeer wilt verkennen !

Laatst een tochtje gemaakt naar Volendam,
zo'n 40 minuten varen vanaf Almere,

Mail me als je meer info wilt !

Trouwens op www.vaartips.nl staat een overzicht van alle trailerhellingen in nederland, erg handig !

Hoe bevalt je zodiac ?

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