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Old 05 June 2007, 14:38   #51
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Reading all this pathetic dribble - I know why I live in Belgium... It was to be FREE!!!!!!!!

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Agreed, but we are free (ish). The guy is doing his job and acting on instructions from a higher authority I would assume. Right or wrong its unlikely you will ever win the argument so smile and acknowledge, watch your speed and wake and dont worry about other boats whether they be big and white or anything else. Change his opinion by positive reinforcement. All this talk of speed guns and the rest is daft, there are no fines being handed out here just requests to slow down, the fact that the delivery is bad or the facts questionable should not spoil anybodies day.

I would respectfully point out that it would be easier just to get over it and move on.,..
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Old 05 June 2007, 16:06   #52
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would respectfully point out that it would be easier just to get over it and move on.,

Nicely spoken Ollie.... A man of honor, intellegence and humility ... at last

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... at last
Oi! It's what I said pages ago!
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Alternatively we could just get over ourselves and not worry about it too much!
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Hopefully not a silly question, but how do you know where the speed limit zone starts / ends?

I can see the harbour limits on the charts for Cowes and Poole harbours, so they are easy enough, but what about (for example) Langstone and Chichester harbours? I can't see anything on the charts or find anything in their byelaws (though I may have missed it). I know sometimes (always?) the speed limit is written on the channel markers, but is there a simpler way to know in advance?

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It's a good question, and the answers aren't always obvious. Sometimes it's clearly marked, sometime it's not. It's often further out than you might think though.

For instance, there's a speed limit of 10 knots within 1,000 yards of the shore in any part of the Dockyard Port of Portsmouth. That's the entire Eastern Solent from Hillhead to Eastney, including the Isle of Wight from Old Castle Point off Cowes, to Sandown Bay! http://www.qhmportsmouth.com/upload/...outh%20map.pdf

I couldn't find the answer for Chichester on their web site. The byelaws refer to a map, but it's not included on the pdf. I suspect that the speed limit officially starts either at the Bar Beacon or at West Pole.

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Old 05 June 2007, 17:08   #56
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Well on a trip out of Chichester Harbour last summer I got caught speeding by the big black thing crewed by the flourescent jackets. I was as guilty as hell having misunderstood the harbour limit signs. I told them it was a genuine mistake and would not happen again. They were polite, understanding and certainly not overbearing. In fact they even gave me a map of the area and a tide table.
I was a cop once and there were always those that thought "Specials" who were volunteers and unpaid were "uniform carriers" maybe one or two were but the majority did it for the right reasons - contribution to society etc. Hopefully the majority of people doing the job in the solent are also doing the same.
After the accident at the weekend you can see why the idiots have to be regulated.
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Something to ponder about.. Taken from Cowes Harbour Commision Harbour Byelaws.. (Link.)

12. Every mechanically propelled vessel navigating the Harbour or Roads shall, unless otherwise authorised by the Harbour Master in writing, be navigated at a speed not exceeding 6 knots over the ground and in a manner which shall not endanger the safety of other vessels boats or property or cause damage thereto.

And on page 8 of said byelaws..

The Limits of Cowes Harbour and Roads
From a public house called “The Folly" (on the eastern bank of the River Medina) due west to the western bank of the said river thence along the line of high water mark down the western bank of the River Medina and along the harbour to Cowes Castle thence following the line of high water mark along the coast to Egypt Point thence to position Latitude 500 46'16" 9 N. Longitude 010 18'06" W. thence to Prince Consort Shoal Buoy thence to position Latitude 500 46'06" N. Longitude 010 16'31" W. thence in a southerly direction to the shore at the point nearest to the said last mentioned position and thence along the line of high water mark on the eastern bank of the River Medina and along the Harbour to the said public house called "The Folly". So much of the area comprised within the said limits as lies to the southward of a straight line drawn from the outer extremity of Cowes Castle to high water mark at the outer extremity of Old Castle Point East Cowes shall be called the Harbour of Cowes and the remainder of such area shall be called Cowes Roads.


Does this mean the Harbour Master's authority isn't in force between The Folly and Newport? cos there's some nice open stretches of flat river along there..
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I never did get a reply to my polite email.

Its obvious how much they care about the people spending money in Cowes!

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I never did get a reply to my polite email.

Its obvious how much they care about the people spending money in Cowes!

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I've had very positive experiences with the Cowes authorities.

My RIB was damaged by one of the water taxis - one of the "Jenny" boats I suspect whilst moored on the Town Quay pontoons during Cowes Week.

I complained to the Harbour Master, by e-mail at about midnight about the incident and received a response by 1000 the following morning indicating that they would "have a word" with the suspect and better supervise the pontoon to improve the situation.

Surprised you haven't heard back.
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I complained to the Harbour Master, by e-mail at about midnight about the incident and received a response by 1000 the following morning indicating that they would "have a word" with the suspect and better supervise the pontoon to improve the situation.

Sorry to be so negative but these days that is a polite way of saying "bugger off we can't be bothered"!!!

Have you noticed that when an official makes a major cock up these days it is never their fault - they either need more training or more funds or they will change their procedures etc.

It was the same in the case of the poor little girl beaten to death because social services didn't do their job properly - at the end of the day someone dropped a bollock and they should be punished for it but they never will.
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