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Old 05 June 2007, 11:18   #41
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What do you expect when you make comments like the following on a public forum? If any harbour master, (or their friends,) read this forum, then they are going to be even more anti-rib..
I do hope that in the RIB world we haven't got to the stage where you should be afraid to talk about anything.

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Old 05 June 2007, 11:31   #42
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course not, free speech is important.. As is the way things are tackled.. Nash's original post was the right way to elicit a response, (if he gets one,) calling people names is just gonna piss the guy off..

As you point out,

"The less we do to upset the Harbour Master the better."

I would imagine that includes belittling them publically..
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Old 05 June 2007, 11:49   #43
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Unfortunately if they act like it they are going to get called it. I have only had run ins with Chichester harbour Authorities.
No problems at Cowes and certainly I can only praise the ones at Langston.
From my point of view I was always getting told off for speeding and the amount of wash I was producing. This was in a 3.6 meter RIB with a shallow planing hull. When I said I was within the speed limits I was told I was on the plane so I must have been speeding. So much for their knowledge of boating behaviour. And whilst being lectured to by the Harbour Authorities I would notice that countless large motor boats would be speeding by us without anything being said to them.
Really if they have a beef about something then they should act properly and profesionally and use calibrated speed cameras to prosecute. Not just tell people off. Its a very unproffesional way to act. In fact its called oppresive behaviour at a profesional level and any boater would be well within their rights to make a formal complaint. Most people rightly don't make such a fuss because most people just want an easy life.
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Old 05 June 2007, 12:08   #44
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Really if they have a beef about something then they should act properly and profesionally and use calibrated speed cameras to prosecute. Not just tell people off. Its a very unproffesional way to act. In fact its called bullying at a profesional level and any boater would be well within their rights to make a formal complaint. Most people rightly don't make such a fuss because most people just want an easy life.
I think that may be an issue. If they use a speed gun, how do they prove that they were not moving?? It is all so subjective.

Imagine they are in two knots of current going with the current at one knot, that is three over the ground.

You are doing five knots over the ground upstream, one knot under a six knot limit!

They would read your speed at eight knots!

Explain that in a court of law!
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They use Speed guns in Chichester Harbour from the Harbour Masters Boat. I suppose at Cowes it would be easy enough to use one from the shore. As with everything a bit of lee way would be needed before prosecuting. It is said that the Police use the speed limit plus 10%, before prosecuting. This allows for any discrepancies and also means you should only prosecute the people who are flagrently breaking the limit. It is a sensible way to do it as well.
It is apperent that by telling people off all you do is get there back up for no real reason. Prosecute in a court and theirs no real arguement. Everything has been done properly and anything you wanted to bring in your defence will have been said.
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Old 05 June 2007, 12:57   #46
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http://www.cowes.co.uk/d/Harbour%20Byelaws.pdf

Byelaw 12
Every mechanically propelled vessel navigating the Harbour or Roads shall, unless otherwise authorised by the Harbour Master in writing, be navigated at a speed not exceeding 6 knots over the ground and in a manner which shall not endanger the safety of other vessels boats or property or cause damage thereto.

Every such vessel shall reduce speed as necessary in the observance of the normal practice of safe seamanship when passing mooring trots, boats alongside wharves, jetties, pontoons, vessels engaged in maritime works or in any other circumstances which could endanger the safety of other persons vessels boats or properties or cause damage thereto.


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And whilst being lectured to by the Harbour Authorities I would notice that countless large motor boats would be speeding by us without anything being said to them.

you really don't like anything large white and made of plastic do you!??
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I know you do get a few big motor cruisers that do travel a bit quick and kick up a hell of a wash... BUT I hate to say it - I think the cowes harbour master is picking on ribs for a reason - everytime I go out I get overtaken in 6/8/10knot zones and it's always by ribs that come planing past doing about 15/20knots. Through chichester harbour, portsmouth harbour, up the hamble, most never wait until they are out of marked restrictions before opening up (or shutting down) - and i'm sure it's not anybody who takes the time to read this forum - it's probably the people, as mentioned above who get their boat out on nice sunny days and think they can get away with it. I suspect they don't have gps or speedo - or would claim it doesn't work if stopped. And although it's an absolute fact that traveling in a rib at 20knots produces a fraction of the wake that 8 or 10knots does, it still doesn't change the law. I suppose it's because ribs are very popular now and you get a large cross section of skippers - some who don't mind speeding and giving everyone else a bad name. The harbour master at cowes has obviously been subject to a few bad ribsters in the last month or two!
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Old 05 June 2007, 13:22   #49
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Hello all
We went over to the Folly for Lunch on Saturday and for the first time didn’t feel particularly welcome by the Cowes Harbour Authorities.

The big Yellow and Orange Harbour Authority RIB was waiting just inside the harbour flagging down every RIB we saw enter. No other boats, just RIBs as far as we could see.
We were asked politely to keep our speed down and look behind occasionally to check our wake.
Fair enough, but we were doing about 5 knots at the time, following a sailing boat in, but a big 30 foot motor cruiser was overtaking us at probably 10 knots throwing up a huge wash and wasn’t even looked at by the guy in the HA RIB.

At 5 – 6 Knots The Nashers Revenge is only just in gear and does not throw up a big wake, however every Harbour Authority Launch that we passed going up river gestured to us to slow down and made wavy movements at us with their hand to indicate why. Again despite the presence of big motor cruisers going faster than us and throwing up big wakes.

Are they having a crackdown on RIB owners?

Maybe we are getting a bad name like Jet Skiers.
Certainly at work last week one of the directors who is in to Rags and Sticks referred to me as ‘the RIB hooligan’

Nasher.
Point well made
Its the whole approach from officialdom over here that gets me down
On a recent visit to Sydney I was out in the harbour - no limits on speed unless very close to jetties. Common sense prevails. Good, polite signage where required. Its just so much more grown up
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Reading all this pathetic dribble - I know why I live in Belgium... It was to be FREE!!!!!!!!

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