View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
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Old 14 July 2013, 13:01   #481
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if ya cant/wont enforce a law it its useless. You may enforce it in a busy area where the leisure traffic justifies deployment of assets...but everywhere isnt the Solent thank goodness. Yesterday came into this little port where we have been working for 5 years or so and the warm weather had brought the ******* idiots out! Miles of open empty and flat calm sea but a narrow harbour entrance and fast tides, every man and his son fishing and drifting in the channel and even anchored on the leading lights line. Loon on a jet ski cavorting about in amongst the now angry anglers and around us. Couple of illegal lobstering boats *****about and also dropping pot markers on the leading lights line. We come in through this chicane with 50tonne of fast aluminium catamaran at crawling speed so we dont sink the fools and then on top of all that we have an illegal pot boat (no name no numbers no licence no brain) insisting on trying to cross right under our bows from our port side . Five blasts on the horn ( like he will know the meaning of that apart from **** off ) but more likely the sudden realisation that he was about to die did make him turn away eventually. The port staff cant be bothered going out as they're not paid/trained or carry any authority for the aggro that they will get. So nobody is enforcing the local regulations and nobody would enforce any kill cord regs either.
Rant over - well for now anyway! Few tiny waves today so the brave little sailor boys have stayed ashore in case they feel sick!
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Old 14 July 2013, 14:37   #482
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if ya cant/wont enforce a law it its useless. You may enforce it in a busy area where the leisure traffic justifies deployment of assets...but everywhere isnt the Solent thank goodness. Yesterday came into this little port where we have been working for 5 years or so and the warm weather had brought the ******* idiots out!

The port staff cant be bothered going out as they're not paid/trained or carry any authority for the aggro that they will get. So nobody is enforcing the local regulations and nobody would enforce any kill cord regs either.
Which ever harbour you were in will have a Harbour Master, and he does have the authority to do something about the situation you describe.

Just because the HM is not bothered/cant be arsed to do something, does not mean that the situation should be accepted across the whole of the UK!

Police forces across the UK act in different ways, in the nearest local village no one enforces the double yellow lines, but it is not a reason to get rid of them cvountrywide.

If there were laws and regulations to require training and safety equipment, I am guessing it would pay for the HM overtime so he would go out on a Saturday and sort it out. Any law could empower the HM to take such action as he seems fit, up to reporting the offenders to the police. If a law was broken, then action could be taken.

The other alternative would be to serve offenders with fixed penalty notices, which council officers/workers have the power to do for littering etc at present, which would not require the intervention of the police, and could be easily set up to include giving HM, and deputies the authority to issue them.

I would have thought that after the pots were dragged up from the channel/leading lines and confiscated, that it would not be very long before the culprits did not do it any more. Pots are not so cheap that they can be thrown away like that!
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Old 15 July 2013, 11:37   #483
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Had another amazing weekend on the water, spent Sat and Sun in and around Totland bay and Colwell bay in the western Solent. However………........when the suns out the muppets certainly come to play. There’s yellow safety marker buoys dotted along the coast line, inside/shore side as Im sure your all aware is a 10 knot speed limit ( its even written on the buoys ) – well that’s the theory. We watched numerous RIB’s, PWCs and hard boats, some towing toys completely disregard the speed limit inside the safety area, some craft on the plane only a stones throw from the beach. It goes without saying the shoreline was abundant with hundreds of people playing in the sea, some swimmer’s quite a distance from the shore. WTF!!!!
What happened to common sense and respect for other peoples safety!

I was also in the minority, myself and crew wearing life jackets and kill cord
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Old 15 July 2013, 13:08   #484
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not really wishing to prolong this thread any further I would have to say that in the ports for eutopia and shangri-la the HM would go out and sort these things. However in the ports for Soddom and Gomora such niceties rarely occur. The staff arent paid, trained or have the academic capability for law enforcement. This place is a drinking town that happens to have a small port. Justice here usually involves having your car scratched, your tyres slashed or in extreme circs such as not paying your debts to the local moneylender a limb broken! Going rate is about £20 for someone to do the limb job apparently. The dock staff aint going to risk any of that by attempting to confiscate pots and I can't blame them. They do drag them out of the way but they will come back.
Fixed penalty tickets would be just the same.
A more relevant and easily enforced solution to part of the original incident I would suggest is to use the recreational craft directive to ban top mounted control levers with no neutral lock
ps dock has just been on the radio with regard to the weekends events-they will ask the HM for instructions after our 2 boats' complaints. We will see!!!
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Old 15 July 2013, 14:20   #485
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If we are going to go over the top we might as well ban top mounts on all the other hard boats, after all the sealine T 60 does nearly forty knots and will do a dam site more damage than a rib and you can fall off a fly bridge as easy as a rib.
I can't believe the amount of people who just go around looking for things to moan about, why not go over a tell them to put there kill cord on
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During the last week working daily at Cowes Week aboard our 8.5m, I have seen and captured images of so many people using our type of boat with no regards to their or others safety , either on the same boat or others around them, some were charter RIBs on bareboat charter so I wonder what handover instructions were given.

The Police and MCA were about together as a joint approach but I have no idea if they were successful giving advice or stopping some behaviours. The Kill cord and Lifejacket non use was the biggest problem but overloaded RIBs daily plied back and forth and many at stupid speeds in rough seas. Last run last night towards Hamble saw a 6m go across the bow of the RedFunnel ferry and even my yacht crew aboard gasped how close they were and out of view of the captain. I caught up and the RIB had been used daily back and forth and were Island Sailing Club members (Cowes) happily displaying their club burgee, so probably not novices.

Then RNLI the other night

http://www.iwcp.co.uk/news/news/drun....aspx?mob=true

Maritime and Coastguard Agency Press Office: STORNOWAY COASTGUARD REMINDS BOAT USERS TO USE A KILL CORD

Maritime and Coastguard Agency Press Office: HUMBER COASTGUARD REMIND PUBLIC TO WEAR LIFEJACKETS


I have no idea if legislation or education would work now but these individuals are destroyng any good reputation of RIB users in the public eye and also in the media eyes. Everyone here appears to support action but it varies according to the cut of your cloth, but with the last week still spinning around something has to be done to stop the madness.

Failure will I am sure result in heavy legislation as media coverage increases
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Looks like education aint working!

If the ploice and HM had the law behind them, they would not need to be out all day and all night.
Making it public via media, posters and information to sailing clubs, and information at slipways that there would be action taken for idiotic behaviour, and no safety gear, Kill cords etc and the word would soon spread.
A campaign to enforce such regulations would result in a number of people caught, and the word would soon spread, and discourage others from doing similar.

Also believe that the problem with drunken boaters could be addresed similarly as the US, take the car driving licence away if caught, and then see how many choose to do it! the punishment needs to be a deterrent.
there is not a traffic cop in sight 99% of the time I drive on the roads, but it does not make me think drink driving is safe or good, as I do not want a) and accident on my concience, and b) to loose my licence.

The current situation as described above should not be allowed to continue, and only can continue as long as there are no sanctions available to the authorities.
To everyone who campaigns against sanctions/regulations, you are supporting the madness described above.
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I have no idea if legislation or education would work now but these individuals are destroyng any good reputation of RIB users in the public eye and also in the media eyes. Everyone here appears to support action but it varies according to the cut of your cloth, but with the last week still spinning around something has to be done to stop the madness.

Failure will I am sure result in heavy legislation as media coverage increases
Cowes week brings out the worst in the boating community. I was teaching yesterday and yet again the number of ribs with the helms without kill cords on was staggering. Overloaded ribs abound, one rib came racing in on the outside of the channel into the Hamble yesterday fully loaded with people bouncing around on the tubes none wearing life jackets and the proceeded to cut in front of all those using the channel and leaving a huge wake. Another rib, ok the helm in this case did have the kill cord on, crossed from Hamble Point to the HM Pontoon straight across our bows as we came up river. Crewed by professional yacht crews. I felt like telling him he was not in a bloody yacht now. My student, was really put off by the closeness of the incident.

It is the same every year. It brings out the devil in folk
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So as we know same every year and nothing changes , so what has to be done to change attitudes ? Heavy enforcement ? Most don't want that but we being afloat more than others do see the worst especially at big events but before more die either training has to be harder and cover even more on safety? Or governments get too involved and it won't take many more deaths/incidents for media to spark that one
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