View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
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Old 12 May 2013, 17:16   #371
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Old 13 May 2013, 03:10   #372
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I'm with you on that one!



Hi Cookee - Not my first post and been a member since 2010 (different name ! ) I read regularly, but contribute sparingly so promise you, I do 'consider' all my actions, perhaps more than many of the more prolific contributors .... I consider the preceeding post to which I responded to be ill-considered and therefore don't feel my comment in-appropriate. Hope that's not "too strong" for you and we all continue to enjoy the 'cut and thrust' no matter how high / low profile our contributions !
As you can no doubt imagine, your profile has no information other than you are a first time poster and it was that information I based my comment on.
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Sorry Nos4r2, when I have a spare couple of hours I'll sit down and read all of them! But still, I think that making people take PBL1 or 2 isn't going to harm anyone and should make people more aware of what can go wrong if simple safety precautions aren't taken.

Doing PBL2 made me a better boater and I wasn't a novice before hand, I just thought I should do it and I'm glad I did
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Doing PBL2 made me a better boater and I wasn't a novice before hand, I just thought I should do it and I'm glad I did
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Doing the PB2 course did give me the basic understanding of driving a rib but I can't say that it made me a better driver... experience has done that.
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Doing the PB2 course did give me the basic understanding of driving a rib but I can't say that it made me a better driver... experience has done that.
i think the advanced course was much better than the PB2, certainly the night exercise was very interesting, navigating back into the Mersey from the Bar Light after dark was fun in a 5mtr rib, those big channel markers seemed to disappear with the bright lights of Liverpool behind them
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Sorry Nos4r2, when I have a spare couple of hours I'll sit down and read all of them! But still, I think that making people take PBL1 or 2 isn't going to harm anyone and should make people more aware of what can go wrong if simple safety precautions aren't taken.

Doing PBL2 made me a better boater and I wasn't a novice before hand, I just thought I should do it and I'm glad I did
Fair comment that it did, however, I fail to see how getting the government involved in boating is going to end up in anything other than a mass of red tape and spiralling costs for 'administration'. See my post a few pages back.

I do agree, there's an awful lot of people on the water who are as dangerous as Jimmy Saville in a firework factory using child labour. However, legislation won't stop them. The sentiment is fine, but government has proved time and time again that all legislation does is hike costs for those who did it properly while those it's aimed at ignore it.


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Instruction is good, but you cannot force people to follow the rules. The closest my wife and I came to a collision happened at night while we were throwing a net for shrimp.

We were about 10 feet from the bank when we heard a boat approaching at speed. Two drunks were out for a ride with no navigation lights running at full speed parallel to the bank on a collision course with us. We lit up with every light we had and they missed us by a few feet.

There is no protection from stupid. They were breaking several laws and endangering themselves and others, but there is no way they could claim they did not know better.

On another occasion, a law enforcement boat was running a narrow waterway at full speed on the wrong side of the creek. They barreled around a bend and nearly ran us down. I nearly beached the boat to avoid the collision and thankfully their wake only drenched us. These were the folks charged with training others, but they themselves were ignoring safety rules.

A game warden with a fast RIB bragged to us last year that he ran the narrow creeks through the marsh at 50+ MPH commonly. I will not say what I thought of his safety practices, but I am thankful the enforcement boat which nearly ran us down was not traveling at that speed.

Human nature is what it is, and no amount of training or regulations will protect you from bad behavior.
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Unbelievable

I have got fed up with reading threads from people who believe it is too much trouble or difficult to wear a kill cord.

What would we think of someone riding a jetski (PWC) without a kill cord ?

What would we think of a child on a bike without a helmet ?

What would we think of a motorcyclist without a helmet ?

We should make the wearing of kill cords compulsory without a doubt. There have been many instances around the world of runaway boats causing death and injury through not wearing a kill cord.

This will cause a problem for the RNLI though as they do not wear kill cords, they seem to be immune from coming out of boats ! I think not.

Why not a proximity sensor for the dim people who are unable to locate the kill switch in a convenient position ?
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I have got fed up with reading threads from people who believe it is too much trouble or difficult to wear a kill cord.

What would we think of someone riding a jetski (PWC) without a kill cord ?

What would we think of a child on a bike without a helmet ?

What would we think of a motorcyclist without a helmet ?

We should make the wearing of kill cords compulsory without a doubt. There have been many instances around the world of runaway boats causing death and injury through not wearing a kill cord.

This will cause a problem for the RNLI though as they do not wear kill cords, they seem to be immune from coming out of boats ! I think not.

Why not a proximity sensor for the dim people who are unable to locate the kill switch in a convenient position ?

I guess that you should have read this thread properly before posting your first post. Most of us are for wearing a KC but through education not legislation
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I guess that you should have read this thread properly before posting your first post. Most of us are for wearing a KC but through education not legislation
Well said, it's like banging your head off a brick wall and thats just amongst us, god help us i we involve a government party.
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