View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 12 May 2013, 05:27   #361
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I'm with you on that one!



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You where it under your dry suit. I assume you have got other clothes on underneath maybe even a belt. I didn't think going commando is a prerequisite of wearing a dry suit. it only needs to be the size of a car remote. on a bit of Velcro elastic.


I didnt quote the above, somehow the postings are back to front ? It was an answer i was given on asking how it would work ?
Harry, someone's inadvertently deleted a [/quote] in there somewhere. Stop quoting it and make sure you don't start replies off inside the [/quote]s and it'll stop happening.
It'd take me half an hour to fix it so I'm not going back and editing it-I'd only get one wrong and have to do the whole lot again.
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Old 12 May 2013, 07:29   #362
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[QUOTE=Cookee;536590]I'm with you on that one!

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What about water-sports users? If I'm helming in my wetsuit and want to water ski I have to remove some electrical device and attach it to another driver every-time we want to swap? It's over complicated and pointless - Kill cords work and with education we can hopefully reduce the number of accidents.







Great if you only have a regular crew that all have a kill cord, what do you do if you're coming alongside short handed? Have to clip you cord back on to restart the engine every time you move away from the throttle?



For someone's first post I would suggest that's a bit strong, maybe you should consider your membership if you want to act like that!
Hi Cookee - Not my first post and been a member since 2010 (different name ! ) I read regularly, but contribute sparingly so promise you, I do 'consider' all my actions, perhaps more than many of the more prolific contributors .... I consider the preceeding post to which I responded to be ill-considered and therefore don't feel my comment in-appropriate. Hope that's not "too strong" for you and we all continue to enjoy the 'cut and thrust' no matter how high / low profile our contributions !
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Old 12 May 2013, 12:58   #363
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I entered this thread only after receiving an e-mail from the site. My mistake was to believe that the site was recommending restrictions on your members which I would hate to see become law. One of the principals of the site was nice enough to point out to me that this was not a recommendation but a poll to see how the members felt about proposed regulations. I appreciate this gentleman pointing out my misunderstanding for me.

In my part of the world, we enjoy many boating freedoms, and I think it is a shame that there are places more restrictive to their boaters. Safety is a big part of my boating, as I take personal responsibility seriously. In my years on the water, I have operated everything from paddlecraft to ocean fishing machines. Even though they are not as commonly used here, I enjoy an inflatable also.

There are those in this world who believe they can take control of other peoples lives and tell them how to live. We have had problems in our country from that type who try to restrict freedoms of others in the name of safety and go flying off in the wrong direction in a self righteous manner.

When making knives, I joined an English site which was a goldmine of information. In so doing, I was made aware of the many restrictions placed on the makers in the name of safety. Possibly well meaning, but the dangers come from human evil and not from the honest craftsman who only desire to make a product for personal satisfaction.

No one in their right mind goes boating with the intention of being dangerous to himself or others, but some do present a danger. There are laws on the books to deal with their actions with appropriate punishment. It is neither necessary nor sensible to punish honest men and women's recreation by too restrictive laws.
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How about protecting the careful and considerate from the not so careful and inconsiderate? How do we do this?
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Willk, I'm not for regulation but for education esp regarding boat usage. When I spoke with HMS it became increasingly obvious to me that to enforce any regulation will require an infrastructure that will cost. That means that funds will have to be raised to work this.
This will mean taxation of one form or another by ever increasing regulation.
In my opinion this is a can of worms best left unopened.
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You have the same odds protecting the considerate as you do in stamping out human evil, crime, or auto accidents. You cannot live in a protective bubble or a cell, nor would you want to.

Even then you could slip in a bath tub or suffer a fall. There is no absolute safety or utopia.
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But we have speed limits in harbours and no go zones for PWC's, and radio legislation, lighting regulations, priority protocols for sail and motor. A lot of people are ignorant about what they can and can't do. It's about education. The thing is you need something to be able show that you know. And to be safe in the knowledge that those around you know enough so that you and your family are safe on the water.
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I am 100% behind you in the desire for education. The biggest help would be if people just exercised common courtesy, but alas, it tends to be a me society anymore.

When younger and running the rivers, people were embarrassed if they broke normal care for another boater. Today many just sneer and feel they got away with something. That is very disturbing, but changing attitudes is above my pay grade I fear.

That makes enforcement of reasonable laws necessary, but punitive laws which curtail the freedoms of normal citizens are going in the wrong direction.

Punish the wrong doer and do not curtail the actions of reasonable people. Don't add equipment costs which would prevent the young families from enjoying the water. We started in the past and owe it to the young not to throw financial stumbling blocks in their way.
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Absolutely, but how can you punish somebody for something that isn't "wrong" because nobody has put it down as being wrong? And then who is to catch the wrongdoer in the act and then who is to punish them?
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It looks like, although I haven't read all the posts, that those of you who are dead against "regulation" are so because you are worried that it would stop you from going out on your boat in the same way that you would now! I can't see how saying to people if you want to be in control of a vessel, in which there is a significant risk that the "helmsperson" could be thrown from the helm, then you MUST attend Powerboat Level 1 and probably get your VHF license too, would be in any way over regulating boating. There are too many people out there already who are accidents waiting to happen either to themselves or others. I know that it all needs defining a bit but I strongly believe that there should be a compulsory qualification for users of "powerboats" and its something I have thought for years
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