View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 11 May 2013, 18:08   #351
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Don't legislate... hole accountable!

Part of most "civilized" societies problem is trying to legislate everything; every mishap and accident. You can change ignorant with education, but you can't change stupid. People need to be held accountable for their actions, without putting undue restrictions, or trying to legislate common sense to everyone else.
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Part of most "civilized" societies problem is trying to legislate everything; every mishap and accident. You can change ignorant with education, but you can't change stupid. People need to be held accountable for their actions, without putting undue restrictions, or trying to legislate common sense to everyone else.
We've already got enough laws in place to prosecute anyway, they just need to be applied.
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Old 12 May 2013, 02:43   #353
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We've already got enough laws in place to prosecute anyway, they just need to be applied.
Absolutely!
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Old 12 May 2013, 02:57   #354
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It's shocking the eejits you find getting handed the best of kit with without so much as the once over. Shocking....
Agreed. It's the same as mid life crisis idiots on big motorbikes. You can pass all the tests but aren ready to open up a 1000cc monster in anger. Just like you can pass a "boat" test, docking, launching and reversing, but still don't have the experience to open her in properly in a sea.
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Education, not regulation. I'm dealing with enough red tape as it is.

I used to store a spare killcord on board. From now on I'll hand it over to who-ever else is on board with instructions on operating the engine.
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Does Amy one think compulsory insurance is important?
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Old 12 May 2013, 03:49   #357
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Does Amy one think compulsory insurance is important?
YES, cos accidents happen... you have a duty of care to your passengers etc, etc.

I once had a lone diver surface right infront of me, he had entered from the rocky shore, drift dived to what he thought was 25mtrs from shore (was close to 100mtrs) with no SMB.
I gave him a lift closser in, but he still could not see he was doing anything wrong..Bet your bottom dollar i would of been at fault if he surfaced under me.
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Actually ASKING for legislation to be put in place is like a turkey voting for christmas.
I'm with you on that one!

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You where it under your dry suit. I assume you have got other clothes on underneath maybe even a belt. I didn't think going commando is a prerequisite of wearing a dry suit. it only needs to be the size of a car remote. on a bit of Velcro elastic.
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Skin is conductive! thats why you don't stick your fingers in plug sockets.

a simple 9 volt current running between two contacts on an immobilizer the size of a car fob that you fit with Velcro elastic to a body part wrist arm leg ankle or Nose your choice you fit before you get on the boat and before dress up in what ever attire takes your fancy and it stays there all day you cant forget to connect it and as it doesn't get in the way it doesn't need to be bypassed. Anyway thats for the boffins work out. We have had immobilizers on cars since forever and now even key-less entry and start yet on a marine engine that can cost more than a good car we have a toggle switch tied to a piece of curly red wire.


in regards to the training a basic course layout
would not require any specific training other than real life experience that all members already have. Every one is moaning about the costs of compulsory training, Id rather my money went to a good cause. You could look at it as an insurance policy then at least the idiots on the water would collectively be paying for there rescue/recovery.
What about water-sports users? If I'm helming in my wetsuit and want to water ski I have to remove some electrical device and attach it to another driver every-time we want to swap? It's over complicated and pointless - Kill cords work and with education we can hopefully reduce the number of accidents.

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Far simpler to have a kill cord and use it. It works. Any bollocks excuse for not using it is just that-utter bollocks.


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My thought process was to have the KC permanently attached to the LJ so you could not forget to attach it to yourself - it would already be there, but I can see some problems with that.

If the default was the KC is clipped to your LJ as standard, you have to consciously attach it to the switch before starting. If the default is clip it to the switch as a seperate bit of kit it's easier to forget to attach it to yourself as a seperate task.

If the KC lives on my LJ, and not the switch I can't forget to connect it before starting the engine.

Probably not expressing this very well!
Great if you only have a regular crew that all have a kill cord, what do you do if you're coming alongside short handed? Have to clip you cord back on to restart the engine every time you move away from the throttle?

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Yes Frank, it is for England because it's about an English Event that we all care about .... It seems your 58 yrs outboard usage have left you with a lot still to learn, so in respect of your termination of this forum - Don't let us keep you !
For someone's first post I would suggest that's a bit strong, maybe you should consider your membership if you want to act like that!
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[QUOTE=Cookee;536590]I'm with you on that one!

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Seriously?



What about water-sports users? If I'm helming in my wetsuit and want to water ski I have to remove some electrical device and attach it to another driver every-time we want to swap? It's over complicated and pointless - Kill cords work and with education we can hopefully reduce the number of accidents.







Great if you only have a regular crew that all have a kill cord, what do you do if you're coming alongside short handed? Have to clip you cord back on to restart the engine every time you move away from the throttle?



For someone's first post I would suggest that's a bit strong, maybe you should consider your membership if you want to act like that!
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You where it under your dry suit. I assume you have got other clothes on underneath maybe even a belt. I didn't think going commando is a prerequisite of wearing a dry suit. it only needs to be the size of a car remote. on a bit of Velcro elastic.


I didnt quote the above, somehow the postings are back to front ? It was an answer i was given on asking how it would work ?
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You where it under your dry suit. I assume you have got other clothes on underneath maybe even a belt. I didn't think going commando is a prerequisite of wearing a dry suit. it only needs to be the size of a car remote. on a bit of Velcro elastic.


I didnt quote the above, somehow the postings are back to front ? It was an answer i was given on asking how it would work ?

I think Derdle quoted you and I separated them by mistake, sorry for any confusion!
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