View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 10 May 2013, 19:30   #311
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I'm starting to wonder if i should have voted for legislation after reading the post's on this site from so called experienced members justifying there reasons for not using kill chords, these are the people that need the education and training.

SH1T happens all day every day in every industry and you should do what you can to prevent it. When you get thrown out of your boat, pass out, have a heart attack or whatever and get chopped up because you feel that you are too experienced to use a basic safety device then thats your choice. But it isn't my choice if that boat runs into mine or runs up the beach and cuts up my wife and kids that may we swimming.
If you don't want to where a kill chord buy a field, dig a moat, fill it with water and drive round it all day long with your kill chord flapping in the wind but if you don't wear one when out in public don't try and justify it or your just as bad as the asshole that over takes on a blind bend and runs head on into a mother and kids.

Nobody wants to live in a nanny state so act responsibly to prevent it.

THATS MY RANT OVER
Personally, I agree.
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Old 10 May 2013, 19:32   #312
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How would it go down if I agreed for all of you?
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Old 10 May 2013, 21:08   #313
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I run on the great lakes in Canada and USA. I believe it is in the person's own interest to use the kill switch. I figure in 5 degree water you survive about 8 minutes. Falling overboard and seeing your RIB continue its journey while you are in the water makes it a long 8 minutes before you are dead. I sure use mine, but i don 't think you can police or enforce this. Common sense tells me to use it, but them again is there common sense?
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Old 10 May 2013, 21:26   #314
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Hard to believe that a tragic accident where somebody may or may not have been using one piece of safety equipment can open the door to the enforced regulation of thousands of people forever !! Once it arrives that's it, fees/rules/tests/fines/bans/boat certification/engine emissions/stickers etc etc etc We'll never be able to stop it or go back to a time before when you could enjoy what we now have. Not my idea of progress.
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I am certainly no fan of over regulating an industry that is relatively safe. Having a sticker warning you to use a kill chord will not help so it is useless. Every day there are hundreds of motor vehicle accidents and most of those can be attributed to human stupidity. However all these accidents don't cause lawmakers to add new laws so why start now?
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Old 11 May 2013, 02:56   #316
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I disagree about the stickers, I don't think you should need one but clearly some people do, a reminder on the console will act as a subsumable message and a reminder but they need to get onto the boats of the non forum/mag readers too.

I guarantee everyone on here will be using their KC next time they go out.
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Old 11 May 2013, 04:09   #317
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Just picking up the question where's the best place to attach the kill codr yo the helm, I've always fastened around my leg in a rib as that is was I was taught.

It is however possible to forget to clip it onto yourself - especailly if you've been doing a bit of tricky launch / departing manoevering - as I think most would agree. I've always picked this ovessight pretty quickly / been reminded pretty soon andcertainly before opening up (part of the routine all round checks).

I think a reminder sticker can only help in this process.

If the kill cord was attached to the D-ring on my LJ, I would have to be connected to it before I could start the engine, and if competant crew had the same you're not worried about looking for a spare in emergency.
What are the risks / downsides of this? Can the KC attched to a LJ foul throttle / wheel / other equipment?
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Old 11 May 2013, 04:32   #318
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So, after following the various opinions and suggestions on this thread with interest I think the tone has changed enough to suggest another poll.
"Do you wear a kill cord as the helmsman with the engine running?" Yes / No
Please forgive me if this has been done before I suggest it now in the interests of education.
What do you think?

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Old 11 May 2013, 05:07   #319
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I'm sure I've driven a rib with a sprung hand throttle....I just can't recall what it was!..I've a feeling it may have been Grimalkin?
You recall well, Grasshopper ..... but, as Long John says, it isn't spring loaded: like Nos' Yam, it merely has a tendency to back off of its own accord.

Several people have commented on it over the years and it could doubtless be adjusted otherwise but I prefer it: it ensures that you keep one hand on the throttle at all times (although only light pressure required) and also means that in the event of a kill cord failure the boat will be slightly less of a danger.
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Hard to believe that a tragic accident where somebody may or may not have been using one piece of safety equipment can open the door to the enforced regulation of thousands of people forever !! Once it arrives that's it, fees/rules/tests/fines/bans/boat certification/engine emissions/stickers etc etc etc We'll never be able to stop it or go back to a time before when you could enjoy what we now have. Not my idea of progress.

Well said! Laws make terrible monuments. Unfortunately most politicians and too much of the electorate don't get that.

Here in Canada there was a shooting incident about 20 years ago where 14 people were murdered. An absolutely horrible, but isolated incident. How did our idiotic nanny state Liberal government of the day respond? By introducing a completely useless mandatory long gun registry which cost billions over the next 17 years of its existence before it was finally abandoned.

Proponents of this fiasco were unable to provide a shred of evidence that the registry saved a single life, yet there was one case where it actually directly led to the death of a police officer. This officer did not take standard safety precautions while approaching a suspect's residence because she assumed there was no firearms. She made that assumption based on a search of the registry database that provided a false negative.

So in short, anytime you hear someone yell "There ought to be a law" as a knee jerk reaction to a tragedy or some sort of injustice, think very carefully before jumping on that bandwagon.

Bottom line is always wear a kill cord when operating a powerboat regardless of whether it's mandated by law. If you are a passenger, never get in a powerboat whose operator does not use a kill cord.
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