View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 10 May 2013, 17:16   #301
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Far simpler to have a kill cord and use it. It works. Any bollocks excuse for not using it is just that-utter bollocks.
Exactly. As for the I can't remember to put it on excuse.

Well you remember to:
Check the weather forecast
Check the bung is in
Check the telltale is working
Ensure you have enough fuel
Put your lifejacket on
Do a radio check on your VHF
Remember to untie from the pontoon.

If you manage that lot how hard can it be to put the kill cord round your leg.
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Old 10 May 2013, 17:17   #302
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I wish some of you lot out there would stop going on and on about this that and the other gismo's and just carry on using "or not at your own peril " the tried and tested and trusted kill cord.!!
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Old 10 May 2013, 17:22   #303
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Exactly. As for the I can't remember to put it on excuse.

Check the bung is in
emm, well let me tell you a little story...
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Old 10 May 2013, 17:24   #304
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I'm sure I've driven a rib with a sprung hand throttle....I just can't recall what it was!..I've a feeling it may have been Grimalkin?
True Grimalkin's throttle kinda needs keeping in place - but its certainly not spring loaded to throttle back to idle as soon as you let go! I would say its just that the friction loading is pretty much set to minimum
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Old 10 May 2013, 17:40   #305
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It is very common for a twist grip throttle to back off to low speed if you let go of it with the motor in operation. With a remote throttle, I am not sure if this is built into the assembly.

Whatever the case, you can legislate until you are blue in the face, but there will continue to be accidents.

I have run outboards for about 58 years, and kill switches have not been installed on motors for that many years. Today we are swamped with people having good intentions but not considering just what the effect of legislation costs. Reality check, you cannot prevent people from having accidents. Every time some bad incident happens, only the foolish would propose legislation on the grounds that it may be helpful. They avoid doing a cost study and insist on signing over their freedoms to a governing body who is primarily interested in making money from the laws. They also do not care what the costs are for people trying to meet the law.

I believe this proposal is for England, and living in the US, it will not affect me thank goodness. I will terminate my subscription to this site at this time. Sorry for you folks.
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Old 10 May 2013, 18:47   #306
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Hi Cookee

I'm quite convinced that its just scaremongering by people convinced that mandatory training is not required.

I'm reasonably well tuned into the French boating scene as not only do i spend all my time boating over here but the brother in law is also a crewmember for the SNSM.

There is a much bigger maritime police presence on the water over here than in the UK. A lot of French complain about the regulation and random stop-checks by the maritime patrols but at the end of the day you have to ask yourself this.....how many defects and issues would we find in the UK if random stop-checks were introduced? We (very) often hear about boats running around with no lifejackets on board, no (or defective) VHF, no flares etc....

A few month ago both myself and fellow Rib.net member Tonto were involved in quite a spirited discussion on the subject of mandatory regulation. We both spend a very large percentage of the year on the water and can see better than most the issues caused by a lack of training.
Last year i spent the hourly equivalent of roughly 7.5 months non stop in the waters of the Solent and can recount some truly dismal and ignarant boating behaviour. (I've posted pics of some of them).

Although i'm not in favour of a mandatory KC regulation i am and have been for some time now in favour of a mandatory minimum safety certificate which would need to be gained before anyone wishes to own a boat.

I would like to see it administered by the MCGA (Not the RYA) requireing only a day's classroom training but concentrating on basic safety at sea.

Sadly, from where i sit and with my viewpoint of the boating community, i believe we're losing the battle in trying to maintain or promote a safe boating mentality.

"Education not Legislation"?? OK, but i fear that more and more nowadays, people are needing a gently regulatory "nudge" in order to get educated.

Simon
I have been reading this thread for a while now, and the ones that came before it. No matter how tragic it was that a whole family had their lives destroyed by an accident that is what it was; An Accident. Governments can legislate until they are blue in the face but accidents will still happen.

As far as I'm aware nobody knows what went wrong when that boat trip went wrong. Everyone is assuming that he wasn't wearing his kill cord and was over confident. If I had an 8 metre long RIB with that kind of power I can see why he might have thought it was a bit daft using the cord.

The poor sod dying and coincidently killing his son has made me rethink legislation. But it doesn't change anything and I don't see the point of taking our last freedom.
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Like every other form of licensing it's primary motive would be another way of getting money out of us and have precious little to do with actual competence.
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I believe this proposal is for England, and living in the US, it will not affect me thank goodness. I will terminate my subscription to this site at this time. Sorry for you folks.
To be clear this proposal / campaign IS NOT being instigated by RIBnet, or its owners SocialKnowledge. This campaign is being driven by Powerboat and RIB magazine who are completely unconnected to the site.
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Like every other form of licensing it's primary motive would be another way of getting money out of us and have precious little to do with actual competence.
indeed; Slightly off topic... do you the Scotland will vote for independentce?
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indeed; Slightly off topic... do you the Scotland will vote for independentce?
Its massively off topic - and as with all politics a banned topic.
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