View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 10 May 2013, 15:09   #291
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How about going commando with the immobilizer Velcro'd to your wedding tackle and a tube of conductive gell smeared on for good measure.

I bet you'd be jumping overboard every 30sec's
Toooooooooooooooo much
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Old 10 May 2013, 15:13   #292
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Buyer beware, you own a monster your bound to get bit. A 26' Rib with 300 hp is a high performance boat. I bet this boat accelerates to 30mph in about 5 seconds. Itís a wonder more people arenít getting hurt.
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Old 10 May 2013, 15:18   #293
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What about the seats that Cobra use? If he had been on a jockey seat he is far less likely to have fallen out.
well I am sure as well as focussing on the kill cord the MAIB will consider the root cause for the 'ejection' and how the seating impacted on it. I'm quite open minded to the possibility that the Cobra bolster type arrangement is actually no less secure than jockey seats.

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All this talk of spring loaded hand or foot throttles as alternatives to kill cords makes we wonder how many people on this site have actually driven a rib!!
It seems to me this would be a sure fire way to eject all the crew, on every outing, with the jerky stop-start progress that would inevitably result from such a throttle arrangement!
Well with normal seating arrangements on a rib a foot throttle won't work - but I remain sceptical that a suitably damped, sprung throttle would not work - and I guess the spring and some clever engineering could engage neutral.

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Depends, I suppose. Is the proprietor the sort of person who normally takes notice of such things, or is he the type to get a pollinating insect lodged in his headgear?
He's never been big on reader feedback in the past!
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Old 10 May 2013, 15:25   #294
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My experience tells me some how the throttle inadvertently got bumped. Once you put the spurs to a boat like this holding on becomes a challenge to say the least.
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Old 10 May 2013, 15:49   #295
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i just seen this email in my inbox.

IMHO legislation is not the answer to this problem. i hold my hands up i have on occasion forgot to hook my killcord round my leg whilst out. i normally spot it after 5-10 mins but that maybe enough!

common sense and education is the key imo.

i was sorry to read/see the loss of life earlier this week, my condolences are with the family.

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Old 10 May 2013, 16:35   #296
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I'm starting to wonder if i should have voted for legislation after reading the post's on this site from so called experienced members justifying there reasons for not using kill chords, these are the people that need the education and training.

SH1T happens all day every day in every industry and you should do what you can to prevent it. When you get thrown out of your boat, pass out, have a heart attack or whatever and get chopped up because you feel that you are too experienced to use a basic safety device then thats your choice. But it isn't my choice if that boat runs into mine or runs up the beach and cuts up my wife and kids that may we swimming.
If you don't want to where a kill chord buy a field, dig a moat, fill it with water and drive round it all day long with your kill chord flapping in the wind but if you don't wear one when out in public don't try and justify it or your just as bad as the asshole that over takes on a blind bend and runs head on into a mother and kids.

Nobody wants to live in a nanny state so act responsibly to prevent it.

THATS MY RANT OVER
Finally someone talking sense.

All this talk of alternative systems is plain wrong, kill cords work now and work well, any other hairbrained ideas, how ever feasible, would not only take ages to implement, would not work on all craft and need addition sensors and equipment.

My Yamaha throttle is sprung at the top end, if you let go from full beans it backs off on it's own, not sure that the Merc did the same.
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I'm sure I've driven a rib with a sprung hand throttle....I just can't recall what it was!..I've a feeling it may have been Grimalkin?
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I'm sure I've driven a rib with a sprung hand throttle....I just can't recall what it was!..I've a feeling it may have been Grimalkin?
My Yam backs off on it's own as well, but it'd be half a mile away and it wouldn't come out of gear.
It's not a sprung throttle though,and crucially it won't go into neutral on its own. It's just the return spring on the carb slowly acting on it so it'll eventually carry on in gear at tickover.

It's not a design feature on 703 controls.
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My Yam backs off on it's own as well, but it'd be half a mile away
So unless you were doing a tight turn as you left the boat and you didn't have the kill cord on/working it wouldn't manage to come back and hit you...........
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So unless you were doing a tight turn as you left the boat and you didn't have the kill cord on/working it wouldn't manage to come back and hit you...........
Exactly my point.

As far as I'm aware and having dismantled a lot of OEM control boxes, a sprung throttle isn't an OEM option. There are no return springs in Yamaha, Mercury, Mariner, Johnrude or Suzuki that I recall. Never pulled a Honda or a BRP control box apart though, so if someone knows better feel free to correct me.

Again though, for a sprung throttle to work,it'd have to pull the lever right back to neutral and over the neutral detent.

Far simpler to have a kill cord and use it. It works. Any bollocks excuse for not using it is just that-utter bollocks.
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