View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 09 May 2013, 04:34   #21
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I don't have a problem with the logo being on the sticker at all.
Seems fair enough to me. I don't particularly like the design but the plug for the magazine is suitably low key.
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Old 09 May 2013, 04:37   #22
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And then Mercury users (if like the last two I have owned) will have a greater risk of injuring people from false emergency stops because the kill cord toggle switch is too sensitive. I gave up using mine for this reason. I had to balance risk of no kill chord against using one which caused it's own dangers. So now only briefed 'trusted' crew go near the throttle/helm. I make it quite clear to everyone the dangers and get quite 'shirty' with people on the boat who don't listen or head the warnings. Kill chords in my experience solve one problem but can create another - they are not the holy grail in my view (for Mercury anyway)
Then change the killcord unit or location rather than doing something that stupid. Do you wear peril sensitive sunglasses as well?!

I've never had a problem with false kills and my Yam killcord switch is far more sensitive than any Mercury I've owned, including the currrent Opti. There is a hardware problem if your engine is being repeatedly killed when it shouldn't be.
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Old 09 May 2013, 04:40   #23
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Noooo!

This world is far to full of legislation anyway! Why is there always a knee jerk reaction when something like this happens!

Basically what is being suggested is that something should be made more expensive and more difficult just because of a single persons silly mistake. Yes I agree this should be the case if we saw accidents like this weekly, or even monthly but we don't! Its just a terrible accident!

In this instance no 3rd party was injured or killed, again if this was the case the argument would carry more weight but they didn't.

Please, everyone or anyone who reads this thread, don't contribute to the already restrictive world we live in!
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I think a clear emphasis on operating procedure in training may help. Always stopping the engine by removing the kill cord, never storing the kill cord in the kill switch and always inserting the kill cord as part of starting it would make accidentally not wearing the kill cord unlikely. This was not part of my recent training.

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Hi all, my only concern and always has been is that regulating/licencing would become another tax and not benefit anyone. Education is the key and should start with every dealer. Part of the PDI is explaining the kill switch and correct usage. I wonder how many dealers actually explain safe usage to their patrons?
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I haven't read them all but I probably can guess a 70/30 split against. My own thoughts would be education not legislation. It our last bastion of freedom lets not ruin it by putting unachievable guidelines in place. Look what's happened to boat racing. Accidents are going to happen no amount of regs and rule will ever stop them
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I don't have a problem with a logo being on the sticker. Fair play to HMS for taking some action.

You'd have thought the engine manufacturers could play a part by providing suitable warning stickers at neglible cost - I've hear nothing about their approach / iput to this problem that has to be global.

I just cannot see how this can be enforced, and there are times e.g when casting off / tying up, that there maybe a parctical reason not to be wearing the kill cord- very difficult to legislate for.
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And then Mercury users (if like the last two I have owned) will have a greater risk of injuring people from false emergency stops because the kill cord toggle switch is too sensitive. I gave up using mine for this reason. I had to balance risk of no kill chord against using one which caused it's own dangers. So now only briefed 'trusted' crew go near the throttle/helm. I make it quite clear to everyone the dangers and get quite 'shirty' with people on the boat who don't listen or head the warnings. Kill chords in my experience solve one problem but can create another - they are not the ho
ly grail in my view (for Mercury anyway)
I had the same problem with a mercury. easy fix though I got a second chord and joined them together. longer string means more available hand movement.
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Where I keep my RIB on Anglesey there is already the licence system issued by the council which is proof of insurance.

Proof of having a powerboat licence is going to be harder to police as individuals "may" loan out their boat to friends who may not have done the course.

Although it was a tragic accident, attaching your kill cord to yourself, either via wrist strap or clip on to a lifejacket should be the first thing you do. Have been in a similar incident where I was in a friends boat that hit a wave and he was thrown out of the seat backwards. Had he not been wearing his kill cord then we would have been in a similar situation.

Policing of speed infringements should be done by other boat users reporting unsuitable driving behaviour to the local harbour authorities. Easy enough then for the harbour master to 'have a word' with the offendor to 'keep it safe'.

There is enough control of people by the authorities as it is, we surely dont want it on the water as well. Freedom to explore should be balanced with common sense and polite behaviour toward each other.
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It is not Ribnet users who need educatiion or console reminders. It is the large group of boat owners who buy a boat and then go to sea, invariably without any training, insurance or life jackets.
How do we inform this group, without mandatory training, that is the question !!
Initiatives, like launching sites requiring to see insurance, etc,etc, are a good idea, but the information flow needs to be much greater. Maybe a government funded advertising campaign is now required, they do enough of them on driving related topics.
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