View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 10 May 2013, 07:04   #251
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My comments here are general and in no way make reference to any particular incidents. At present I vote for education over legislation. In any event there is already legislation regarding duty of care in tort law that may allow an action with regard to the non use of kill switches in boats.

With education can come a better appreciation of the risks and a change in attitude. Look at society's change of attitude regarding smoking. Not only is it unlawful to smoke in your favorite pub or restaurant but it's now considered sociably unacceptable. I think we need a similar change of thinking and attitude regarding safety on the water. This can be the best form of legislation and the policing thereof.

History shows that certain people will always ignore formal legislation and more so when they believe they can get away with it. Just look at the blatant speeding in restricted zones despite clear signs and others obviously struggling to launch/recover their boats on slipways in their wash and turbulence. I see it only too regularly in my backyard here on the Solent. Simply no regard. Another example of similar blatant disregard being the continued use of mobile phones when driving on our roads, and that's much easier to police. Common sense and courtesy sadly just doesn't exist for some. And then there are those of us who occasionally simply forget to attach the kill cord. Could we be confident that would be policed fairly?

Considering these points it is difficult to see how even more legislation can be particularly effective when it may not be effectively policed and existing legislation such as regarding speed limits is not already as effective as it ought to be.

However having said that maybe something to consider at a later date when we've got present legislation and policing more effective? In the meanwhile rather than seeking more legislation maybe better we campaign for a change of attitude to make driving fast craft without a kill switch attached as socially unacceptable.
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Old 10 May 2013, 07:20   #252
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Attach your kill cord to your life jacket permanently . Now you can't start your boat unless your wearing your life jacket and incase you go from the helm and return and forget to pick up the kill cord etc. might also be a good idea to put kill switches round the seating areas of your boat. But check this doesn't void warranties
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Old 10 May 2013, 07:29   #253
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The weekend’s events are a tragic reminder of just how things can go badly wrong, I’ll admit to making the mistake of not reattaching the KC after a picnic on the boat at anchor. There but for the grace of god, go I. I will redouble my efforts to never fail again. The subsequent fatal event in the USA to Andrew Simpson only make me realise we engage with the sea at our peril.
However after a week of reflection my focus would be on the reaction of those in places of authority that can and should influence the fallout from the MAIB report. HMS might not be putting forward a solution we agree with but he is raising his point of view in front of those that can legislate against the majority wishes, at least based on the vote on here.
If we are to be heard we must find a voice to support the outcome we want, be that through a single point or more likely a concerted effort to effectively communicate the message to our MPs. The message that there is more than one side to every incident and that if we do not want legislation or regulation for compulsory training or KC wearing, as we believe that it will have no positive benefit, we have to push the rational alternative to the top of the options list.
My views of the RYA are jaundiced and echo that of other posters on here; they’ll do nothing to protect our views, for whatever reason. There is no equivalent to the MAG group as far as I am aware, for us to turn to.
So if we want to counter the HMS point of view and we believe that a single tragic incident followed by an MAIB report will result in legislation, and we chose to do nothing, who do we blame when we all have to prove we are competent before we can enjoy the recreation that brings us all here?
The counter view is that IIRC the proposal from several years ago to introduce a specific law on drink driving a boat never got anywhere.
As an aside, I find it interesting that out of the total population of Rib.Net only 510 have voted. Despite the email that was sent to probably many more than that. Apathy is the true enemy of democracy. Engage with the political process and be heard or put up with the solution that is imposed. I will write to my MP, will you?
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Old 10 May 2013, 07:44   #254
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Please forgive me if someone has already mentioned this, the RIB concerned looked to be a hired one, am I correct and if so then surely the company supplying the RIB would have talked them through the safety briefing.
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As an aside, I find it interesting that out of the total population of Rib.Net only 510 have voted. Despite the email that was sent to probably many more than that. Apathy is the true enemy of democracy.


I think you might find a lot of those that haven't voted are 'one post boat sellers' or people who've changed email address. Some of the data is many years old and out of date or people don't own boats anymore.
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This for me is yet another great idea in theory but the practical side has not been thought through.

Lots of people on loch lomond break the law by speeding in the restricted areas even though there is a huge area with no speed limits. The rangers and the police are lucky if they get 1% of offenders and hence the problem has not be solved so how will any new law be enforced UK wide? oh and also who will pay for this?

If we can not enforce laws on water that is only 25 miles long then we have no chance of doing it uk wide.
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Please forgive me if someone has already mentioned this, the RIB concerned looked to be a hired one, am I correct and if so then surely the company supplying the RIB would have talked them through the safety briefing.
No, it belonged to him. However, that's not what this thread is directly about
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Nos4r2, I'd agree completely. So if there are 500 of us that use this site regularly surely 1 letter each to an MP would have some impact? Better to have 12000 but that's simply not realistic.
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I wonder if we could get a pro forma letter to send/email.

Anyone up for it?
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Please forgive me if someone has already mentioned this, the RIB concerned looked to be a hired one, am I correct and if so then surely the company supplying the RIB would have talked them through the safety briefing.
The sky news report said it was "Family owned" thats all I know.
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