View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 09 May 2013, 17:59   #231
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Going to sea is in its self a risk . Accidents at sea are rare .mans disregard for safety is a fore gone conclusion . Legislation is for sheep. Go on the water and be careful
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Old 09 May 2013, 19:32   #232
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Many owners only take their boat out in summer, which means that they lack experience and haven't always developed good habits. Often, a few simple regulations raise awareness of issues like kill cords and act as a checklist for the part time and novice boaters.

Where there is the evidence (accident data etc), I think that some well drafted legislation can improve safety without impacting on the enjoyment.
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Old 09 May 2013, 20:55   #233
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I believe the moves to try to protect people from anything which might happen is ridiculous. Just how many lives would a law like this save and why open the door to more needless fines and regulations.

It is an insult to people to try to do something like this. This would be similar to a law requiring a license in order for a person to walk across the street.
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Old 09 May 2013, 22:02   #234
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In my experience the people with the most disregard for the normal rules of society generally feel that said rules don't apply to them anyway due to an exaggerated sense of entitlement. As a result any legislated rule will be ignored by exactly the type of people it is intended to apply to.

Boaters who are responsible for their actions already do all the things any new legislation will require.

It's like to brouhaha about gun registration in the states right now. Responsible gun owners will register their guns. People who actually want a gun for nefarious purposes won't. So what exactly is being accomplished? (Other than the politicians trying to look busy.)
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Old 09 May 2013, 22:08   #235
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really How much goverment do you think we need ? goood old United States,
another case of the Tail wagging the Dog,,
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Old 10 May 2013, 00:13   #236
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"Power Boat and Rib Kill chord stickers"

What a cracking idea!!!!

may be they can stick a few around there office and let us know if they work,


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Old 10 May 2013, 02:07   #237
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Old 10 May 2013, 02:59   #238
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Hi guys.
Its nice to know that otherrs share my view.
Kill cords are an absolute life saftey measure and should be always used.
On the other hand they could be used around the necks of people who cause therse tragedies.
Licence fees go to the people who are always constantly ripping us off why give them more it wont save single life.

The guy who risked his life to save these people should be given a medal and a six pack. Good on you mate.
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Old 10 May 2013, 03:25   #239
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"Power Boat and Rib Kill chord stickers"

What a cracking idea!!!!

may be they can stick a few around there office and let us know if they work,


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Most boat mags are full of images of people in ribs and small hard boats underway and not wearing the kill cord or not wearing life jackets or both. Maybe the magazines should stop including images like that.
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Old 10 May 2013, 03:26   #240
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I do not think Kill cords are the answer. I think the answer is to have a spring loaded foot pedal throttle in a boat like a car has. I used to do powerboat racing and first raced in a hydroplane which had a spring loaded hand throttle. Later I moved onto a bigger boat that had a spring loaded foot throttle. That way, when you fall out the boat, the boat at least slows down to idle speed by default (just like a car effectively does).
The throttle as we know it in powerboats today were originally designed for river cruisers and narrow boats when they originally put engines in them. These boats travel at around 5 knots and a throttle that can remain fully open at that speed is usefull and in my view acceptable.
Therefore I would suggest that any vessel that can reach a speed higher than say 7 knots be fitted with a spring loaded throttle. Even better if it can cut right back into neutral when it is let go.
I dont think legislation is needed for this, simply have the big players like Mercury, Mariner & Yamaha start selling all new engines with these throttles by default or as a feature, the rest of the industry will soon see the sense and follow suite. You will not be able to replace the whole industry in one go but it will get there eventually.

A good example is Jetski's, Seadoo's, Wetbikes and tiller controlled outboard engines that already employ spring loaded throttles. (Unfortunately outboard engines also have a mechanism to allow you to tighten up the throttle which could effectively allow it to be left running at full throttle but I have yet to see anybody on a planing boat use that)

Just a thought
Try swimming after a boat on tick over....while your at it you could try stopping the prop with your head or chest....it's not a case of slowing the craft down, it's stopping it.
Not having a pop at you, any idea is worth thinking about...but i'm pretty sure this one has been done and dusted.
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