View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 09 May 2013, 13:42   #191
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Interestingly, so far out of 390 voters, 76% would like things to stay as they are. Would be good to know how many of those have a qualification?
I think that out of the 76% that do have some basic qualifications ie. P2 it would be the majority of us.

I for 1 have... without being forced to do.
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Old 09 May 2013, 13:46   #192
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Kill Cords should be mandatory.

Kill cords are mandatory in many other places in the world. I always wear mine and take special notice if I'm out by myself. Falling out of a boat shouldn't be a life or death situation. The water here right now is too cold to survive for a long swim back to shore, but with a kill cord, swimming to an unmoving boat would be a legitimate chance.

This doesn't even get into the danger posed to the rest of the public by an uncontrolled boat under power. This is a really simple thing to follow. And, there are even options out there for cordless kill switches.

I also live in a state where a boater safety course is mandatory. It's a pain and I was an experienced boater already. But I did learn a couple things that are helpful and for that it was worth the minor inconvenience.
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Old 09 May 2013, 13:51   #193
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The Utopian Nanny State is the World over. We constantly have people getting into trouble, I call them City Sissies. I have had the pleasure of sailing the Sea for over 50 years of my life and there is no substitute for experience and the lessons that my Father taught.

I live in the Santa Barbara Mountains of Southern California Coast and weekly someone has to be airlifted because they ventured into the wilderness without water, proper clothing, safety equipment etc.

You cannot legislate STUPID. Way more money than brains, in whatever recreation venue that floats your boat.

I have a kill switch on my CAT, I put it on myself, but have never had to use it, PWC Waverunners is another matter.

Shit happens and Regulations just burden the responsible.
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Old 09 May 2013, 14:06   #194
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So if it terns out the guy had a PB2 will you change your mind?

What kind of narrow minded statement is that?

Do you think the Padstow incident was an isolated one???

I can give you 20 examples of dangerous behaviour on the water just in the last few months alone.

Luckily they were all "near-miss' incidents but its only a matter of time....

One of our vessels very nerly collided with a motor cruiser only last week as the window-licker at the helm shot out of the Itchen heading over to Hythe marina and never saw our vessel's nav lights (it was night time).

So quite frankly i could'nt give two sh*t's if the helmsman of the Padstow rib had a ticket or not!

May he RIP...

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Old 09 May 2013, 14:08   #195
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I live in Portugal and as a resident I have to have a license to drive a motorised boat. There are various grades dependant on the size of vehicle and how far it is aloud to travel. We also pay light dues. We also pay a tax which varies dependant on size of engine. We also pay insurance. You also have your boat inspected every five years which includes safety equipment. If you are stopped by the marine police out on the water and you have defaulted on any of the above then you will be fined.
So what's the problem with this system, we very rarely get stranded boaters, running out of petrol or breaking down due to lack of maintenance. We do not cost the government millions in lifeboat call outs, most of which in England could be avoided.
Face the facts, you are driving a dangerous vehicle which should be given respect as you do with a car. Young kids should not be bombing about in tenders from "Daddy's large boat".
The licensing laws in England are non existent which is a joke. Unless something is done to rectify this unfortunately this latest very sad incident will not be the last.
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Just a thought!! I have a P 2 ticket and also ICC license which allows to drive any motor yacht / boat up to 30 ft. I have only ever driven a rib no larger than 6.4 metre. I personally would not attempt to hire something up to the max without someone with experience to show me how. But I could if I wanted to.

So having qualifications does not mean that you are competent, if you know what I mean.
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Old 09 May 2013, 14:25   #197
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Just a thought!! I have a P 2 ticket and also ICC license which allows to drive any motor yacht / boat up to 30 ft. I have only ever driven a rib no larger than 6.4 metre. I personally would not attempt to hire something up to the max without someone with experience to show me how. But I could if I wanted to.

So having qualifications does not mean that you are competent, if you know what I mean.
Exactly what I am saying, the laws in England are useless. Just because you have the ICC SHOULD NOT allow you to drive just about anything up to 30ft. Incidentally some of the biggest idiots on the water who generally show no lack of respect to other boat users while "showing off" are the jet ski brigade.
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Old 09 May 2013, 14:32   #198
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If not then why can a novice pilot buy and use a V6 300 hp outboard without any training whatsoever?
how often do you believe that happens? I suspect it is relatively rare that someone's first boat is 300HP, pretty unusual that the get no formal training and even rarer that there is no basic handover training or 'helpful friend' around to guide them.
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aah yes european exams and our past clients who live over there. One came back here for L2 as they could do a course in one european state for £xxxx hundreds of pounds but in the neighbouring country it was much cheaper but had to be done in the local language which he did not speak.
Provider told that didnt matter as they would give him the multi choice question paper and also the answer paper. All he had to do was copy the answers onto the question paper and he would get his licence. Go out in a boat? - no didnt need to do that!
Pay tax on m'boat to pay the wages of the army of new civil service/local govt officials to come and check m'boat??, no thank you. I seem to think it was the size of the civil service and other govt employees that got certain countries into a situation were they had to be bailed out of their financial woes
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We do not cost the government millions in lifeboat call outs, most of which in England could be avoided
and its not the govt that pays for the RNLI and independent lifeboats in the UK - we look after our own.
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Just a thought!! I have a P 2 ticket and also ICC license which allows to drive any motor yacht / boat up to 30 ft. I have only ever driven a rib no larger than 6.4 metre. I personally would not attempt to hire something up to the max without someone with experience to show me how. But I could if I wanted to.

So having qualifications does not mean that you are competent, if you know what I mean.
+1

My commercial licence allows me to skipper powered vessels up to 24m in length, but I would be silly to attempt doing that as I'm not experienced in vessels of that size. In fact when I took out this years PL insurance I asked them to limit it to 15m length maximum.
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