View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
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Old 09 May 2013, 08:27   #121
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As far as I'm aware no RNLI RIB's or SIB's use kill cords....
I'm not responding as an RNLI spokesperson, but my understanding is where fitted on RIBs SIBs with wheel steering, killcords are worn. Where tiller steering, if killcords fitted, they are worn. However, some engines used in smaller craft have tiller throttles which are designed to kill if released.
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Old 09 May 2013, 08:31   #122
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i do think you should have some lessons on boating, before you can use a powerboat,
remember this is a 1off incerdent.
one off PUBLISHED in the mainstream press incident

Who is going to stop someone with no clue and a fat wallet getting a 60+mph boat, who is going to enforce the lessons? is that not what this debate is all about?
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Old 09 May 2013, 08:35   #123
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We use similar ones we got from RNLI,

I am unsure on why there is such an anti feel towards a commercial mag seller who is trying to help people save their lives. Yes the timing is directly after a tragedy but actually what better time than to focus our minds on basic skills and basic survival options. Everyone can choose not to use on, buy one, obtain one and will continue to make their own decisions on their safety.
Clearly from the position of what operators were reporting this weekend on many forums, within 24-48hrs of the deaths, the advice was ignored anyway and loads were out without using them.

I believe other companies such as RYA do similar stickers and they have their logos on the sticker.
I would disagree with Ian in respect of whether a commercial publisher should be offering Kill-Cord warning stickers. It does 'smack' of opportunism and even if not commercially motivated, it appears to be in common with direct quotes to the BBC, no doubt intended to raise Rib and Powerboat Magazines profile. Whilst I agree a mandatory warning sticker is a good idea, it should be manufacturer driven and not rely upon a very low circulation specialist marine publication to be the medium of implementation. The actual effect of PBRM's sticker campaign will I suspect be virtually minima ?

In respect of the need for better education, it's beyond doubt that there's a glaring need, but I personally doubt the RYA is the best medium for delivering that. It's mediocre performance in respect of power-boating generally, is largely due to it's increasingly commercial attitude and a historical yet on-going, over emphasis on matters relating to sail. Take a look at the RYA's published accounts and 'wonder' at both the directors remuneration and overhead by way of salaries - It's an 'Old Farts Club' protecting it's commercial interests and maintaining the 'comfortable' status quo.

It's about time the marine industry woke up to that, and considered an effective medium of education such as City & Guilds where the new boat-handling course offers a more rounded, and perhaps better training regime and it appears to be taking hold. There's a crying need for some form of implementation of compulsory training before taking to the water and that should include a series of exceedingly graphic images of the consequences of NOT using a kill cord !
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The magazine and their stickers. A little bit poorly aimed and irresponsible. They don't represent me and I feel that they are doing more harm than good. A little bit tabloid "We were the first, we did this, and it's because of us" going on. If they're not careful, it may well end up because of them.
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My ride-on mower has a "kill switch" under the seat so if you get off it, the engine stops- something similar could work on boats....???
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A Read the thread first

B Give it a bit of thought!
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one off PUBLISHED in the mainstream press incident

Who is going to stop someone with no clue and a fat wallet getting a 60+mph boat, who is going to enforce the lessons? is that not what this debate is all about?
You do not know that this particular chap had "no clue with a fat wallet". I personally know who sold the boat new to this family 2 years ago and my understanding is they were not what you are portraying.

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I had 4 takers on my offer just simple red letters to remind you - Offer still open for anyone that want one.
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Interesting that this is in favour of Power Boat instructors to get more business! So surely they will be supporting this!
I didn't! And I would actually be surprised that a lot of instructors who are full time do. I have a sticker on my boat re the wearing of the kill cord. I even saw a person I know who was in Cowes over the bank holiday and pointed out that wearing the kill cord was perhaps sensible. He was on a big rib with a 250 on the back. He said oh yes, I forgot. He is doing a course with us at the weekend at that point will be raised again.

Legislation is not the answer - people still drive around without seatbelts and that is law!

The whole event is a tragic and I knew of the guy in my former life so it was even more pertinent to me, but education is a better way forward. It is up to all instructors and TC's to reinforce the issue.
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I had 4 takers on my offer just simple red letters to remind you - Offer still open for anyone that want one.
I'd love one-thanks. I was holding out for the freebie from PB&R, but now HMS has annoyed me so much I won't put anything with their logo anywhere near my boat.

I'll PM you my addy. Would you like a sticky thread?
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I had 4 takers on my offer just simple red letters to remind you - Offer still open for anyone that want one.
As one of the four, I can recommend Large enough to be visible, small enough not to be over dominant.
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