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Old 11 December 2004, 14:36   #11
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Wont be paying attention to my 'source' again then !! Thought it may have been a bit far fetched but, you never know these days!! Cobra owners can now rest in peace
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Old 11 December 2004, 14:49   #12
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Why are you only considering these two?? Have driven a 7.5m Cobra Nautique/225 Opti. Nice boat, very comfortable. Dunno about its ability in a big sea though?? V.good leisure cruise boat though. Good at what it does.

If going for a Valiant I would only consider a PT. The DR is built a bit tougher (tubes, strakes, etc) but is essentially the same hull as the Vanguard which limits its potential as a rough weather boat.

This raises the question, what will you be using the boat for?? I would have said the natural progression from a Ribtec such as your own would have been towards a Ribcraft, Tornado, Valiant PT, Osprey, Redbay, Delta(!) all tough with very deep V hulls. Or even a bigger Ribtec!!
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Old 11 December 2004, 16:15   #13
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What do you think the difference between the vanguard and the DR is?
depends on what size the 4.0m to 4.9 share the same general purpose hull,
but the tubes are better heavy duty fitting on the DR range nice rubbing strake that works my new DR is a much better layout

i had the vanguard 4.5m from new they are very back heavy and find bumpy
water very hard to cope with. i had so much lead in the front locker the vicar would be checking the roof after seeing me they are more nice weather in shore day rib and the consul needs to be fixed so well as its very high and take a bashing but the good side was 30 knots with a 40 hp on the back

the 4.9 is a total waste of time as its only 200mm bigger deck than the 4.5 most of the size is tube

the PT and DR range are well the dogs nuts had a go on waynes pt520 very nice

valiant as the best warrenty ive come across they changed waynes pt over
for a new boat as it had a hull problems 18 months after he got it. and the problems i had with my one were fixed with out fuss

you must by a rib that suits your use i got a vanguard first which did not do what i wanted so i changed for a dr which works well for me

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Old 11 December 2004, 16:54   #14
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Wont be paying attention to my 'source' again then !! Thought it may have been a bit far fetched but, you never know these days!! Cobra owners can now rest in peace
Glad to hear it!!!

Dave Picton has been in the boat building business for a very long time - far more experience than most of the new "upstart" RIB companies around!

Actually the reverse of what you were told is true - the Cobra range are prob far better made than most other RIBS.

Agreed they are more a leisure type boat - hence the clever sunbed and nice seats etc - the hull is pretty good from what I hear but can give a wet ride.

The resale on Cobras is very good - due to the build quality and Dave's habit of buying any Cobra that comes on the market too cheap - very shrewd!!!

So much so I tried to do a cash deal with him - he didn't want to know - his order books are already full enough. Having said that he was a really nice bloke and offered loads of free advice etc - made me feel very welcome - shame we couldn't do a deal.
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Old 11 December 2004, 17:17   #15
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For once I agree with Cod, if the reputation system was still around I would relieve him off his much discussed red blob!
The Cobra 7.5 received a good review in Rib Int. a couple of years ago, and I was under the impression that they are highly regarded. As Roy mentioned they are well priced compared to thier competitors. Definatly, worth considering Tue but you've only had your boat 5 mins!



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Glad to hear it!!!

Dave Picton has been in the boat building business for a very long time - far more experience than most of the new "upstart" RIB companies around!

Actually the reverse of what you were told is true - the Cobra range are prob far better made than most other RIBS.

Agreed they are more a leisure type boat - hence the clever sunbed and nice seats etc - the hull is pretty good from what I hear but can give a wet ride.

The resale on Cobras is very good - due to the build quality and Dave's habit of buying any Cobra that comes on the market too cheap - very shrewd!!!

So much so I tried to do a cash deal with him - he didn't want to know - his order books are already full enough. Having said that he was a really nice bloke and offered loads of free advice etc - made me feel very welcome - shame we couldn't do a deal.
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Old 11 December 2004, 20:44   #16
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depends on what size the 4.0m to 4.9 share the same general purpose hull,
but the tubes are better heavy duty fitting on the DR range nice rubbing strake that works my new DR is a much better layout

i had the vanguard 4.5m from new they are very back heavy and find bumpy
water very hard to cope with. i had so much lead in the front locker the vicar would be checking the roof after seeing me they are more nice weather in shore day rib and the consul needs to be fixed so well as its very high and take a bashing but the good side was 30 knots with a 40 hp on the back

the 4.9 is a total waste of time as its only 200mm bigger deck than the 4.5 most of the size is tube

the PT and DR range are well the dogs nuts had a go on waynes pt520 very nice

valiant as the best warrenty ive come across they changed waynes pt over
for a new boat as it had a hull problems 18 months after he got it. and the problems i had with my one were fixed with out fuss

you must by a rib that suits your use i got a vanguard first which did not do what i wanted so i changed for a dr which works well for me

dan
Vanguard - PVC tubes
DR - I forget, but its a bit tougher

Apart from that its the same boat, the only differences are in the fit out.
My 490 was a great boat, a great first boat at least but id say go for a PT if you want a valiant.
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Old 12 December 2004, 04:48   #17
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No experience of the Cobra but check the hull warranty exclusions on there advertising leaflet!
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Old 12 December 2004, 05:01   #18
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Valiants I do not know.

They have bad reputation in Greece. No one buys them.

In particular a friend who had a 7.5 COBRA, his boat developed a huge vertical crack on deck. The boat was made in the UK. He had to cut the deck, glue another bit on it putch it all up and sell the boat ASAP. He never touched COBRAS again. A few other people with COBRAS that I met in the yard where my frind was fixing his their boats suffered similra problems. One had also developed a crack on the transom.

They are not that popular in Greece at all and you can understand why.

For that money and on the same size you can buy a Ballistic or Humber or Osprey or a Parker. All good boats.
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Cobra's

We had the fortune of retubing two cobra's which were used out in Menorca, first as dive boats and now as tenders to large sightseeing catamarans, both boats have been given a serious hammering for well over 7 years now and they both look pretty healthy for it too! One of them had a 5ltr V8 chevy in the back which i think bears testimony to their strength!
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Old 12 December 2004, 06:25   #20
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Why are you only considering these two??
I have found a 7.5m Cobra at a reasonable price, and been offered a brand new 7m ish Valiant hull (Price as yet unkown). Are the Cobra consoles and seats screwed or bonded? as I would want to change it all around if I bought it
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