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Old 07 May 2013, 18:21   #31
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I couldn't disagree with you more. I find no justification whatsoever for tolerating bad or inept practice. These monkees should have had somebody who was on the case supervising them until they were competent to drive the boat, fix it and drive the radio. No matter how many years that may take!.
Well I kind of agree, but there is a constructive way to deal with it and there is a "public humiliation on the radio" way...
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You say that its sadly not uncommon for clubs rescue boats to be manned by relatively inexperienced but well meaning people Surely that is a deriliction of any legal resposibilty and duty of care that the club has to it's members.
quite possibly... ...but as with many 'sports' or 'activity' clubs they only exist because some people devote some of their time to benefit others. Its not always as well organised or managed as you might hope. There is often a belief that its worked fine for 20 yrs so we will just do the same, and paperwork and elf n safety are all PC nonsense. Not saying its right - but are the coasties that out of touch?

Now would the coasties rather that some inexperienced person has a bit of a panic and shouts mayday when its not, and doesn't think to drop anchor OR the equally plausible situation that some guy who's been out every saturday for the last 20 years, doesn't call them because he thinks he can manage it - then at the "other end of the field" some kid gets in bother and has a delayed rescue.

Personally I'd rather trust my kids to the one who shouts for help and gets the "calm down" chat, than the one who bullishly believes they are superman when all they do is plod round the harbour every week.

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I'm presuming this doesn't happen in RYA affiliated sailing clubs
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Old 07 May 2013, 19:37   #32
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Well I kind of agree, but there is a constructive way to deal with it and there is a "public humiliation on the radio" way...
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I don't recall supporting a dressing down for the monkees over the radio My problem is with the organ grinder and not the monkees which is why I said the club should be fined


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but as with many 'sports' or 'activity' clubs they only exist because some people devote some of their time to benefit others. Its not always as well organised or managed as you might hope. There is often a belief that its worked fine for 20 yrs so we will just do the same, and paperwork and elf n safety are all PC nonsense. Not saying its right - but are the coasties that out of touch?

Now would the coasties rather that some inexperienced person has a bit of a panic and shouts mayday when its not, and doesn't think to drop anchor OR the equally plausible situation that some guy who's been out every saturday for the last 20 years, doesn't call them because he thinks he can manage it - then at the "other end of the field" some kid gets in bother and has a delayed rescue.
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I am sure the Coastie would prefer the wrong call than none and as previously stated I am not condoning the public admonition. I do feel however that the Coasties are very much in order to chase down the sailing club because anyway you look at it that safety team wasn't good enough.

re your other point either way the kids in the shite cos theres a delay on both scenarios. Far better for him to be looked out for by trained experienced and competent persons which the monkees will hopefully turn into in time with the proper mentoring

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Personally I'd rather trust my kids to the one who shouts for help and gets the "calm down" chat, than the one who bullishly believes they are superman when all they do is plod round the harbour every week. :
You kids your risk I guess I wouldn't trust mine to either Stereotypes


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quite possibly... :

Very probably I would have thought.
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I always use fixed vhf to do radio check with humber cg then as leaving boat club call harbour master on handheld make sure channel clear to leave the river but more importantly to makesure its working too
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Out of interest did antone waste the CGs time by logging a passage plan.
Sorry, wasting time by passage plans? Not our view...
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Nor mine. I was being a little to subtle in my criticism of someone advocating that CG Radio checks were a waste of the CG's time
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Nor mine. I was being a little to subtle in my criticism of someone advocating that CG Radio checks were a waste of the CG's time
Subtle? that's not like you!
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Nor mine. I was being a little to subtle in my criticism of someone advocating that CG Radio checks were a waste of the CG's time
Fair enough, I thought it was odd coming from you!
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It is very difficult for sailing clubs to find suitably skilled volunteers to man the Safety Boats. At HISC we are lucky to be a large club with resources and have an extremely well organised series of training courses that will take anyone who is interested from PBL2, Safety Boat course, Advanced PB, First Aid, VHF courses and more.
We have approximately 350 PBL2 drivers of which most have also done the Safety Boat course as well as First Aid and VHF. We run refresher courses for those who don't get on the water very often and are constantly updating training and techniques as better ideas filter through. The club RIBs are all in excellent condition and fully equipped, with 2 new ones this season and 2 last year. With a total fleet of around 13 club Ribs with a proper ongoing maintenance and replacement scheme in place.
On a busy weekend, it is not unusual for there to be 150+ boats on the water at any time with them scattered over the Harbour and out in the Bay (often topping 250 if we have a couple of open meetings) When needed we have members with their own RIBs to bolster the numbers. We always have our work cut out and constantly push the standard of Safety to a very high level.
That being said there will always be the odd incident, but to date nothing serious.

When you are relying on the goodwill of your members to staff the Safety Boats, you cannot cherry pick the people you want, it is often difficult to get sufficient volunteers to give up their time as it is. They will be trained to the highest standard we can, but if not regular users, will always have a touch of rustiness.
If we have a RIB breakdown, they are trained to drop anchor and radio the club for assistance. If Hayling Rescue is out and about, Frank will always head over and assist, usually negating any other help.

We are fortunate to be a large club with reasonable resources and backup. Even if you don't have our setup, there is no justification to yell Mayday at the first opportunity unless it genuinely is a life threatening situation. When quizzed by the CG, it sounded as though dropping an anchor hadn't crossed their mind. The CG did not lecture them at all,. He was calm, methodical and polite, although he did sound a little strained. In one transmission, the boat sent to sort them out was asked to check with the club about their operating procedures.
Chances are the fault was something stupid such as not undoing the vent on the tank or the fuel hose not attached to the can / engine properly.
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+1 on Jky's summary


....safety boat.

On it's own? OK, Possible. - Any dingy thing I have ever sailed at has the safety fleet / boat in contact with "Shore base" or whatever they call it. I do have to ask - why didn't they just shout back "home" on the working channel?

And yes , +1 on Rokraiders's comments re. volunteering - I have on many an evening thought I was going for a sail & ended up driving a searider when the scheduled crew didn't arrive.
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rockraider - that sounds like a challenge to manage - i wonder how you know which of the 350 skippers are good / bad (not just have the certificate), and if you are can't pick n choose if your control is any better than the other club. Interested to know what additional training you do with your guys. One club I know of had never run and major incident exercises and thought it was a crazy suggestion.

9d280 - its not unusual for a small club to have only one boat afloat. Not all have a shore contact with a radio either.
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