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Old 20 March 2004, 04:44   #1
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Pro Sports can be CE marked but as all four of ours are coded to MCGA Yellow Code there is no need. If a rib was purchased as a leisure vessel it would be CE marked if required.

RIVA, good to meet you at the end of February when we launched Zebedee. Are you around this weekend?
You will have to excuse my ignorance here - I thought you couldn't sell a boat without a CE marking now or is that the RCD or have I completely lost the plot with all this paperwork?
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Old 20 March 2004, 05:00   #2
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Cookee, when I imported my RIB from SA to the UK, no one asked me for a CE certificate. The boat was cleared customs and got a registration. However, the boat hasa CE sticker on it, but this means nothing as I could have put it on it.
Wonder if the X-RIB built by FALCON boats do have a copy of such certificate
For your info FALCON has CE certificates for all the boats they produce.
In Greece however, they ask you to produce during customs clerance a copy of the actual the CE Certificate of the boat.
Hope that helps.
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Hope that helps.
Nope!

I couldn't care less what you or anybody else has been asked for or what happens in Greece - I'm talking about the regulations which has absolutely nothing to do with being caught.

As I understand it from previous posts selling or reselling a boat without a CE marking could be a problem - but only if you get caught - as a new manufacturer myself I am just trying to get things right without breaking any laws.
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OK will spell it out 4 u Mr Cookee
The law is that the boat has to be CE marked (certified) and if you build one you should obtain (as a builder) a CE certificate. That will cost you about Euro 1,200-1,500 if you ask BV to do it (and to enlighten you a bit further BV stands for Bureau Veritas). That charge is for a Cat C boat. For Cat B is about Euro 1,000 and a bit more and for A even more than that.
Now in the UK it seems that for private (leisure boats) no one cares. As I said no one asked me to produce the CE certificate for my boat when it was imported from a non EU country.
However, as a boat builder of leisure crafts (I believe you are trying to make a leisure version of the Banana thing) you need to have a certificate if you want to sell your boats
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dont forget

all craft from i think if i remember 97/98 have to be ce marked if sold in the eu. its not a option its law , also you are not insured if you have no ce mark on a boat built from this date , and try telling mr tradeing standards that when he knocks on the door , and belive me he does . try www.ceproof.com from the hamble it will tell you . and dont forget as a private guy you can,t sell your boat, as they can persue you for liabilaty
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RIVA this is why I was astonished when no asked me to produce the certificate that I made a lot of fuss to get from South Africa. It seems that no one cares.
You also mentioned insurance.
Just a question, do they ask you if your boat is CE marked before they insure you. No one asked me. I can assure you!
We all know that CE marking is the law and in Europe are very stricked about it (unlike in the UK - I think ). To import any boat out of the EU it has to be CE marked. If not you cannot get a registration, sell it etc unless is inspected and certified (cost Euro 1,200-1,500 for cat C) by an Internationally recognised classification society
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OK will spell it out 4 u Mr Cookee
The law is that the boat has to be CE marked (certified) and if you build one you should obtain (as a builder) a CE certificate. That will cost you about Euro 1,200-1,500 if you ask BV to do it (and to enlighten you a bit further BV stands for Bureau Veritas). That charge is for a Cat C boat. For Cat B is about Euro 1,000 and a bit more and for A even more than that.
Now in the UK it seems that for private (leisure boats) no one cares. As I said no one asked me to produce the CE certificate for my boat when it was imported from a non EU country.
However, as a boat builder of leisure crafts (I believe you are trying to make a leisure version of the Banana thing) you need to have a certificate if you want to sell your boats
OK just for your benefit Mr Manos I'll repeat my original statement -

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So thanks for that Mr Manos but that was what I was asking Ian in the first place.

I have had a look through what paperwork we have at work and it seems there is no exemption for RYA school boats, and having them MCGA Yellow Coded is irrelevant as far as I can tell?

Unless you are using the boat for racing there are very few exemptions - also as I understand it just owning a non CE marked craft makes the owner liable for a large fine and up to 5 years in Jail!

I suppose what I really am interested in is the exemption for RYA schools / MCGA Yellow Code, and what happens if the boats are sold, is the new owner exempt as well? I don't believe the 5 year rule applies either because the boats are not home built either.

Been in touch with CE proof in Totnes and my discussions with them agree with what Riva says.

Look forward to hearing from Ian or Prosports themselves,
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Thank you Mr Cookee..........and good luck
Is a VERY tough market out there
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ce marking

here we go again
RCD is for boats used in the leisure sector and must be CE marked before being sold, Ian has got a commercial spec boat and it has been coded by MCGA and is classed as a work boat as such, if you go back to the threads on commercial license and read Paul Glatzels replies re RYA exemption it may clear thing up a little
Cookee is building a leisure version of Bannana shark and to sell
one it must be CE marked for the leisure market
this one is going to do the rounds i think.
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Tim, thanks for your reply.

1. What makes a RIB used for teaching a work boat? How do you make a RIB either a recreational craft or a workboat from the same mould?

2. If it is sold - ever - it could be used as a leisure boat and would be "illegal"?

3. The threads on commercial licences concerned the skippers tickets and the coding of the boats, neither have any bearing on wether the boat has to be CE marked I think?

4. So if I sold my boats to a school for teaching they could call them work boats, keep them for a season and then sell them on. How would the new owner stand with a 1 year old british built boat and no CE marking? Fined and in jail or scot free?

Sorry to be obtuse here I'm just trying to work out where all these exemtions are because I can't find any that could possibly apply in the regulations!
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