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Old 22 March 2004, 07:01   #31
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but they still need RCD/CE marking to be made available on the EU market, does that not come before getting it coded?
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Old 22 March 2004, 07:05   #32
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Ians boat is coded MCGA yellow code for use in this country as a commercial work boat it can be RCD coded by the manufacturers
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Old 22 March 2004, 07:32   #33
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1. What makes a RIB used for teaching a work boat? How do you make a RIB either a recreational craft or a workboat from the same mould?
I don't think that the design of the boat is an issue, it's the use. If it is going to be used for leisure purposes* then it needs to comply with the Recreational Craft Directive, and will therefore be CE marked. If it is going to be used commercially, then it doesn't. However, if a particular model of RIB has been put through the RCD requirements then I can see no reason not to CE mark it, even if its intended use is commercial.
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2. If it is sold - ever - it could be used as a leisure boat and would be "illegal"?
That is certainly my understanding, although there are some exemptions that may apply (for instance self built boats that are not CE marked may be sold, but only after a period of something like seven years)
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3. The threads on commercial licences concerned the skippers tickets and the coding of the boats, neither have any bearing on wether the boat has to be CE marked I think?
Other than a purely commercial boat doesn't need to be CE marked.
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4. So if I sold my boats to a school for teaching they could call them work boats, keep them for a season and then sell them on. How would the new owner stand with a 1 year old british built boat and no CE marking? Fined and in jail or scot free?
From other posts it seems that training school boats are not exempt from RCD requirements. But what if they are only training commercial users?

* "Leisure purposes" vs commercial operation may need some clarification. Look at that quote that Cookee posted:

"It is specified that chartered, i.e. hired, recreational craft are covered by the Directive, as are recreational craft used for recreational boating training. In both cases, the activity is not a commercial passenger transport activity but one for sports or leisure purposes."

How about taking passengers for boat rides -- white knuckle rides, wildlife tours or whatever, but not transporting passengers from A to B. Although run on a commercial basis, is this "commercial passenger transport" or "sports or leisure purposes"?

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PS Cookee, to cut a long story short I think the answer you are looking for is "Yes, the non-race Banashark does need to be RCD compliant and CE marked"!
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Old 22 March 2004, 07:38   #34
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i think it would be a good idea if Ian can explain which came first.
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Take a look at the foot of this page http://www.prosportribs.co.uk/spec.php then phone/e-mail Pro Sport and ask Jason direct. He will be able advise directly what is involved in CE marking his products.
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He will be able advise directly what is involved in CE marking his products.
You make it sound as if it's the customers job to get the boat ce marked.

How about a simple yes or no to cookee's question, are they ce approved?

Are these boats being brought to the UK by ferry, and if so what do the customs have to say about it. (although it is a Trading Standards matter) or are they arriving by water?
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Mine arrived by water, but it's the customers choice. If they buy a trailer through Pro Sport they can be ferried over.
I would suggest it is upto the customer to make the required checks, as I did as a customer, to ensure the rib meets their requirements.

It isn't clear to me where this thread is going, Pro Sport advertise CE marked ribs and coded ribs, if you have a problem with this contact them to discuss.
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Pro Sport & CE - in simple terms

With regards to Pro sport i'm told its very simple-

Leisure Boats: If you buy a pro sport for leisure use it will come with a ce mark.

Work Boats: If you you a buy a pro sport for commercial use - pro sport will code it for you.


I'm told you do not have to have the boat ce marked before it is coded, coding by far superseeds a ce mark. Jason has arranged coding on my 3 teaching boats (as we wish to opereate more than 3 miles from cat c or d waters) and Ians charter boat.

I'm sure Jason will confirm this if anyone does not agree with me.

Ian and Peninsula Ribs purely demonstrate Pro Sport ribs

I'm sure ian or jason are not asking anyone to ce mark there own boat. Ian is purely saying Jason knows more on this matter.
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