CE marking, RCD and coding

[kitten]

Has the RYA brokered an exeption from RCD/CE comliance?

[tim griffin]

no!only from commercial licensing
tim
www.griffmarineservices.co.uk

[kitten]

The boats in question, are they to be used for charter? if not for what purpose?

[tim griffin]

recreation !see pm
tim
www.griffmarineservices.co.uk

[kitten]

so this statment from Ian is wrong then?

Pro Sports can be CE marked but as all four of ours are coded to MCGA Yellow Code there is no need. If a rib was purchased as a leisure vessel it would be CE marked if required.

[tim griffin]

Ians ribs are classed as work boats ie used in the commercial sector, rib rides and charter, cargo, because thats the way he baught them for commercial enterprise, if purchased for the leisure market they can be ce marked and they would have to be ce marked for them to be sold in the eu different rules so no Ians statement is correct see pm
tim
www.griffmarineservices.co.uk

[kitten]

so this from the guide is wrong then?

It is specified that chartered, i.e. hired, recreational craft are covered by the Directive, as are
recreational craft used for recreational boating training. In both cases, the activity is not a
commercial passenger transport activity but one for sports or leisure purposes.

[tim griffin]

no ian has purchased a workboat what he uses it for is up to him
in relation to his business
tim
wwwgriffmarineservices.co.uk

[kitten]

so you can ignore the RCD/CE marking as it is up to you what you want to use the boat for?

[tim griffin]

no! yellow code is MCGA code of practice for the safety of small commercial motor vessels and it applies to motor vessels in commercial use in support of sport or pleasure that are less than 24 metres load line length and do not carry more than 12 passengers.
tim
www.griffmarineservices.co.uk

[kitten]

but they still need RCD/CE marking to be made available on the EU market, does that not come before getting it coded?

[tim griffin]

Ians boat is coded MCGA yellow code for use in this country as a commercial work boat it can be RCD coded by the manufacturers
for the leisure market
tim
www.griffmarineservices.co.uk

[John Kennett]

Originally posted by Cookee
1. What makes a RIB used for teaching a work boat? How do you make a RIB either a recreational craft or a workboat from the same mould?

I don't think that the design of the boat is an issue, it's the use. If it is going to be used for leisure purposes* then it needs to comply with the Recreational Craft Directive, and will therefore be CE marked. If it is going to be used commercially, then it doesn't. However, if a particular model of RIB has been put through the RCD requirements then I can see no reason not to CE mark it, even if its intended use is commercial.

2. If it is sold - ever - it could be used as a leisure boat and would be "illegal"?

That is certainly my understanding, although there are some exemptions that may apply (for instance self built boats that are not CE marked may be sold, but only after a period of something like seven years)

3. The threads on commercial licences concerned the skippers tickets and the coding of the boats, neither have any bearing on wether the boat has to be CE marked I think?

Other than a purely commercial boat doesn't need to be CE marked.

4. So if I sold my boats to a school for teaching they could call them work boats, keep them for a season and then sell them on. How would the new owner stand with a 1 year old british built boat and no CE marking? Fined and in jail or scot free?

From other posts it seems that training school boats are not exempt from RCD requirements. But what if they are only training commercial users?

* "Leisure purposes" vs commercial operation may need some clarification. Look at that quote that Cookee posted:

"It is specified that chartered, i.e. hired, recreational craft are covered by the Directive, as are recreational craft used for recreational boating training. In both cases, the activity is not a commercial passenger transport activity but one for sports or leisure purposes."

How about taking passengers for boat rides -- white knuckle rides, wildlife tours or whatever, but not transporting passengers from A to B. Although run on a commercial basis, is this "commercial passenger transport" or "sports or leisure purposes"?

John

PS Cookee, to cut a long story short I think the answer you are looking for is "Yes, the non-race Banashark does need to be RCD compliant and CE marked"!

[tim griffin]

Ians
boat must have been rcd coded first for it to comply with mcga
i think it would be a good idea if Ian can explain which came first.
to clear this matter up.
tim
www.griffmarineservices.co.uk

[Jonny Fuller]

Where's Crazyhorse?

[jwalker]

I think you, Wave & Dave injured his pride so badly, he's never recovered!

[Ian]

Take a look at the foot of this page http://www.prosportribs.co.uk/spec.php then phone/e-mail Pro Sport and ask Jason direct. He will be able advise directly what is involved in CE marking his products.

[Dirk Diggler]

Originally posted by Ian
He will be able advise directly what is involved in CE marking his products.

You make it sound as if it's the customers job to get the boat ce marked.

How about a simple yes or no to cookee's question, are they ce approved?

Are these boats being brought to the UK by ferry, and if so what do the customs have to say about it. (although it is a Trading Standards matter) or are they arriving by water?

[Ian]

Mine arrived by water, but it's the customers choice. If they buy a trailer through Pro Sport they can be ferried over.
I would suggest it is upto the customer to make the required checks, as I did as a customer, to ensure the rib meets their requirements.

It isn't clear to me where this thread is going, Pro Sport advertise CE marked ribs and coded ribs, if you have a problem with this contact them to discuss.

[Jono Garton]

With regards to Pro sport i'm told its very simple-

Leisure Boats: If you buy a pro sport for leisure use it will come with a ce mark.

Work Boats: If you you a buy a pro sport for commercial use - pro sport will code it for you.


I'm told you do not have to have the boat ce marked before it is coded, coding by far superseeds a ce mark. Jason has arranged coding on my 3 teaching boats (as we wish to opereate more than 3 miles from cat c or d waters) and Ians charter boat.

I'm sure Jason will confirm this if anyone does not agree with me.

Ian and Peninsula Ribs purely demonstrate Pro Sport ribs

I'm sure ian or jason are not asking anyone to ce mark there own boat. Ian is purely saying Jason knows more on this matter.