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Old 10 November 2002, 18:43   #11
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Old 11 November 2002, 07:50   #12
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Yep i find that also provides sustained enjoyment at night time also, but what I was referring to was a sailing saferty strap which clips on to the boat and the other end attaches to the hoop on your lifejacket or an earing if you are not wearing a lifejacket. The people I sail with call them clips. sorry for the confusion.

I never thought about using one ( a clip) on the Rib but when I went through the RNLI safety check the guy brought up two points I'd overlooked. No water in my grab pack(doh) and I didn't have any provision for clipping on at night ( hence increasing the chance of parting company with they boat)

I felt the advice was good and have adopted it as SOP nowadays.
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Old 11 November 2002, 08:21   #13
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I'm not sure I agree with the clips. I think i would rather be thrown clear of the boat if it was to go over. I reckon if you were strapped in you would crash into the seats , A frame, engine whilst being towed along at 30 + knots till the boat stopped. If you had a long strap you could even go through the props. Ouch.

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The only sensible "clip" is to use one no longer than from your waist to an attachment between your legs when you are in the standing position. Before the smutty remarks, this has nothing to do with nipple rings and attachments etc Alan P
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Chris, Stuart

There is no way that I would use a lifeline on a RIB. In my view they are likely to subtsantially increase problems rather than improving safety.

Stuart, who did your RNLI safety check? I question their knowledge of fast boat operation! It may just be on their check list because they should be used on yachts . . .

Imagine coming out of a fast RIB on the end of a piece of rope. Worse still, imagine being attached to a capsizing RIB!

No thanks. No way.

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I completely agree with John. I think they are a bad idea for a fast moving craft. Especially if it capsizes at speed. You would be smashed to pieces if U were attached to the boat.

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I am glad I don't carry a big ego nowadays, Thanks for the comments My SOP will be changed so no more clips, I'll just make sure the footsraps are well used.

I got the sea check in Ireland and I may well right to the RNLI (still a venerable and august institution in my view) and ask the to reconsider the advice they gave

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I don't like footstraps either! Some people swear by them, but they have contributed to more than one broken ankle.

Non-slip decking and some decent hand holds are important things, with good seats making a very useful contribution to safety too. However the most important thing you can take on a RIB is a heathy dose of common sense!

I suspect that this accident happened simply because it wasn't thought through. A quick spin in a fast boat to check the engines over is always going to be tempting, but demands as much respect as any other cruise -- especially in poor conditions.

On the subject of the RNLI boat check scheme, my understanding is that inspections are carried out by volunteers who may not be lifeboat crew, and may be working from a tick list rather than from experience.

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re the boat check you are right these guys/girls are not lifeboat crew and they do work from a checklist . My point is that the checklist should say " not suitable for RIBS" or something like that

I was very happy with the safety check and would still recommend, it particularly to newcomers, but I now regards that one piece of advice as suspect and would like to see it changed/justified.

When the combined experience of Julian, Alan and yourself all agree on a point then it's worth listening.

By the way where can you get hold of this common sense stuff !

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Here you go Stuart.
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