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Old 18 November 2013, 12:33   #31
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Gamble by the jet ski guy, as he took it under tow for salvage he is now responsible for it, I think that's how it works
Interesting matter salvage - including the much misunderstood debate about handing over a tow rope / being handed a tow rope. Under Maritime English law if anyone takes a boat in tow in a matter of salvage you do not automatically become the owner of that vessel. If you have made an effort to save / tow a vessel and you feel you have not been adequately compensated for what you did, (when the vessel is adequately insured) the incident will be referred to an arbitration board who decide the level of compensation. In any one incident historically claims never exceed 5-8% of the vessels value - and that can mean salvaged value (not original). The arbitrators will also increase the salvage sum if there other circumstances such as a fishing boat losing fishing time. If you rescued a burning tanker going up a beach the reward sum would be significantly increased because of danger / avoiding a polluted coastline etc. The law in these cases is eminently sensible and in a way dissuades people letting vessels go from moorings and then "salvaging" them. If the jet-ski guy towed the burning boat away from the dock and saved the marina catching fire he would be entitled to a claim related to that - plus what he did had a definite risk element. But he would not have any automatic title to the vessel. The law is very complicated and anyone who thinks his rib might break down and need a tow should definitely discuss with his insurance company how to respond if such an event occurred - individual policies can be different. I often hear people claiming they have a wonderfully cheap insurance deal. If they read the small print they may see discover they are not particularly well covered in this type of event. They may even have personal liability to cover certain sums - good policies will cover most potential salvage issues but it is really worth checking.
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Old 18 November 2013, 14:17   #32
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You guys are all second guessing the cause, with the amount of firework rubbish I've found in my garden I wouldn't mind betting it was a firework
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A huge fire involving 100,000 tonnes of plastic recycling material, thought to have been sparked by a Chinese lantern, has been contained say firefighters.

BBC News - Smethwick fire: Chinese lantern 'caused largest blaze'

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And the rib.net jury is off...
Fire started during the afternoon when it was likely to be detected early and anyone going onboard to start it would have been likely to be noticed. Fire was in the flybridge
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A huge fire involving 100,000 tonnes of plastic recycling material, thought to have been sparked by a Chinese lantern, has been contained say firefighters.

BBC News - Smethwick fire: Chinese lantern 'caused largest blaze'

I don't do second guessing....

Hmm...what could start a fire high up on the flybridge on an un-attended boat......I wonder?



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Lol, I remember about 14 years ago while I was based in Guernsey a fire breaking out aboard a large luxury motorcruiser only about 600 yards off the northern coast of the island.

The owner had abandoned ship and made for land in the inflatable tender and was safely ashore when someone on a jetski whizzed up its bow and connected a tow line. in an effort to try and salvage the boat, the jetski then proceeded to tow the cruiser into a nearby beach where the fire department were waiting to extinguish the flames....

The boat was a total loss but you can just imagine the owners frustration when the
Fire department managed to board the remains and find numerous portable fuel containers and gas bottles littered around the vessel!

How much would you hate that jet skier?

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LOL, jetski's are frowned upon despised etc and even when they try to do the right thing they still p*&s people off!
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Interesting matter salvage - including the much misunderstood debate about handing over a tow rope / being handed a tow rope. Under Maritime English law if anyone takes a boat in tow in a matter of salvage you do not automatically become the owner of that vessel. If you have made an effort to save / tow a vessel and you feel you have not been adequately compensated for what you did, (when the vessel is adequately insured) the incident will be referred to an arbitration board who decide the level of compensation. In any one incident historically claims never exceed 5-8% of the vessels value - and that can mean salvaged value (not original). The arbitrators will also increase the salvage sum if there other circumstances such as a fishing boat losing fishing time. If you rescued a burning tanker going up a beach the reward sum would be significantly increased because of danger / avoiding a polluted coastline etc. The law in these cases is eminently sensible and in a way dissuades people letting vessels go from moorings and then "salvaging" them. If the jet-ski guy towed the burning boat away from the dock and saved the marina catching fire he would be entitled to a claim related to that - plus what he did had a definite risk element. But he would not have any automatic title to the vessel. The law is very complicated and anyone who thinks his rib might break down and need a tow should definitely discuss with his insurance company how to respond if such an event occurred - individual policies can be different. I often hear people claiming they have a wonderfully cheap insurance deal. If they read the small print they may see discover they are not particularly well covered in this type of event. They may even have personal liability to cover certain sums - good policies will cover most potential salvage issues but it is really worth checking.

Pure salvage award value can be a much higher % of boat, and all contents at time, depending on 'danger' involved

If ever in that situation crucial to agree a nominal price for TOWAGE before any tow starts, ideally writing and signing on some paper if possible. Verbal agreement witnessed is not as strong.

Otherwise you may receive a salvage demand for some considerably higher payment afterwards
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I don't do second guessing....

Hmm...what could start a fire high up on the flybridge on an un-attended boat......I wonder?



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An 80 ft Hatteras that I crewed back from the Med in 2012 had a near miss. It had a plastic flexible clear cover over the access from the rear deck onto the flybridge. My mate who was looking after the boat for the owner visited it and found a deep curved scorch mark abount an inch wide and 5 feet long in the teak deck. It transpired that rain water had collected in the plastic cover creating a lens. Sunlight then shone through the lens with sufficient intensity to burn the teak . A lucky escape but it still cost 000s to replace the damaged teak decking.
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