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Old 29 July 2010, 06:05   #11
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our local fire service will come out and fit a free smoke alarm in any room that needs one as well as giving you a quick fire safety check on your home ,escape and potental hazards ,,all free ,but people still die in house fires in our area ,
and the same goes for sea check ,

Just before seacheck started in 1998 3 of us in our area became seacheck advisers were given all the kit ,but within the first year non of us had done one ,
it seems that the free scheme dident take off in some areas as as expected by the rnli ,we were told to expect to do around 4 a week ,i now work voluntry on the rnli education side of things beach/ sea safety in schools /youth groups,events

some possible excuses,

1, the experienced boater,/yachtsman ,,,including lifeboat crew ex or otherwise ,,,retired fisherman /ships captain ,with the ill be bollaxed if someone is telling me what i should have after all my experience ,,

2 the fleabay/ free ads brigade or the had a speedboat with the redband engine given by the fatherin law as its taken up room on the drive for the past 18 years ,get the boat on saturday and use it on the sunday ,,and were just testing the engine so we are only messing about at the bottom of the slip ,,,,till the engine seems ok and at 30 knots they are a mile out to sea when the engine then stops for good ,leaving the occoupants drifting with only teeshirts /shorts, a bored girlfriend and a worn out cross head screwdriver.

3 we buy eveything brand new every couple of years ,, ,, lifejackets are still in the shop packaging ,, lifejacket straps have not been adjusted and the gas cylinders unscrewed its self out , or the flares still in the hard to open with cold hands blister packaging ,

4 we use the clubs dive boat and have a dedicated member to sort that out,

5 not much experience but done all the rya courses so i dont need a sea check it as i know it all ,.

6 we only use the boat 3/4 times a year ,even then we only go a mile or so out to sea .

our marine club has about 130 members and even though we have a sea check adviser as a club member very few perhaps for the first excuse get a sea check ,granted a good few are commercial boats ,
for the past 2 years now though taking the sensible and and responsible approach any new members will have to have a sea check before they can bring or use their boat at the club.

it perhaps may work better if boat insurers gave out a much better premium for having a sea check.
kindest regards martin
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Old 29 July 2010, 07:00   #12
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Part of the problem might still be the name; "CHECK" sounds a bit like checking up on people, raking through all their kit and potentially embarrassing the ones who do try.

The people who really need it are least likely to even consider the idea and usually live in blissful ignorance for some time or have a major incident first time out.

To hit this group if it were me - I'd stake out slipways, recruit some totty (highly experienced mariner type totty) and then if there are any kids home in on them first with some freebies "look what the nice lady gave us dad", " Oh hello nice boat where were you thinking of going? that's about 5 miles from my station what radio do you use" then you are into a dialogue.

I know about SEA check but have not put our boat through it, we have addressed many of the aspects ourselves and may have gone over the top in some areas. If we have time next time we are out I'll see if there's anyone about.
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Old 29 July 2010, 07:10   #13
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I know a couple of the SeaCheck lads here - all sound as a pound and very diplomatic - no issues there. The SeaCheck itself seems to be fairly basic and nothing to be worried/embarrassed about.

Therein lies what I see to be the problem. SeaCheck is a safety measure, only likely to be taken up by those aware of safety/risk. So already they probably won't benefit much ('cos they're a safety type)

It's really people's heads, not their boats that need a SeaCheck, and the tea-chest drivers won't see the need. After all, they're only going [points vaguely] "out there a bit, and y'know, it's all sunny and safe, like".

I'm convinced the entire thing is down to how people perceive risk and subsequently react to that perceived risk. If they don't think it's dangerous - how will you engage them? They certainly won't welcome a doom and gloom analysis of their actions - which is pretty much what it's going to be...

An recent example I had was during a safety brief (which was quick and concise for a mostly experienced crew) where the newbie on board (an intelligent engineer/mathematician) laughed when I indicated the location and demonstrated use of the spare killcord. I was taking it fairly seriously as we had a 40Nm trip in poorish conditions offshore. I was asked "are you planning to go swimming?" They just couldn't see the risk - i.e. big waves, no seatbelts, no doors, handsfree throttles...
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recruit some totty (highly experienced mariner type totty)
The "willk Recruitment Agency" is available to interview potential candidates

More seriously, I'd suggest older more "Captain Birdseye" jovial types who look like they have "The Knowledge".

Totty is used to encourage reckless spending, not to encourage wreckless boating...
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Old 29 July 2010, 07:25   #15
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I am a Lifeboat Sea Safety Officer (LSSO) who is a member of a working party set up by RNLI Sea Safety to review the organisation's SEA Check together with how we promote and market the scheme.

One of the the remits of this review is to get feed back from as many boat owners as possible, so I would very be grateful if you could spend a few moments to answer the following questions:-

1. Have you had an RNLI SEA Check - do you have any suggestions on how it may be improved?

2. If not, have you previously heard of RNLI SEA Check?

3. If you have heard of SEA Check but not had one, what has stopped you?


All feed back will be taken into account, but all comments will go into the review anonymously - so please be as open and frank as possible with your answers - if you would rather your answer was not public, please feel free to answer via PM.

As I said, we want to get feed back from as many boaters as possible so if you have any boat owning friends who have any comments, please feel free to add those in as well.

On behalf of the RNLI, thank you very much for your time.

In the meantime if anyone would like to arrange a SEA Check, please let me know the location of your boat and I will PM the contact details of your nearest LSSO.

I'd have to support everything in Polwart's post.

1. No I've never had a SEA Check
2. Yes I have heard of them
3. I've been boating for 40 years, almost all of it in Poole. Every weekend I'm out I pass the RNLI HQ, which does remind me to be safe, life Jackets, Kill cords on, Dry suit if appropriate, etc, etc. But my perception of an LSSO would be an 'elf and safety policeman, one that would be wagging his finger at every infraction from the safety code. I accept that boating is a risky activity, I assess the risks before and during the activity and act according to the experience and training I've had. I'd not particularly want to have someone "nit-picking" my boat.
Finally, my sister joined the ebay boaters club a few months ago, I gave her several pieces of advice which included getting a SEA check. Despite trying to arrange one it proved too difficult and she gave up and went to sea with out doing it. She lives near Oswestry. She tried using the RNLI web-site but with no success.
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Old 29 July 2010, 15:08   #16
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1. Have you had an RNLI SEA Check - do you have any suggestions on how it may be improved?

2. If not, have you previously heard of RNLI SEA Check?

3. If you have heard of SEA Check but not had one, what has stopped you?
1- no I haven't

2 - yes I have

3 - When I go to my boat it is to use it or fix it - so its usually a planned thing around family /timings etc. I have taken the details of the local guy to do it, but just never get round to it. As has been said if several people turned up the local slipway saying 'I'll do it now for you' I'd welcome them on as I guess would others. You get loads of boats lauching from Baiter Park (Poole) and Christchurch/ Mudeford that I feel would benefit greatly.

The other thing to maybe stick in the blurb is if its a 10 minute or hour long process ????

I can't think any of the people doing this would be powercrazed types - if so they wont be on many boats for long........
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Old 29 July 2010, 15:47   #17
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I have being offered a Sea Check but I have deferred it until I am happy I have everything sorted. Which of course I haven't.
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My experience, for what it is worth!


1. Have you had an RNLI SEA Check - do you have any suggestions on how it may be improved?

No I haven't

2. If not, have you previously heard of RNLI SEA Check?

Yes. At exhibitions and in adverts

3. If you have heard of SEA Check but not had one, what has stopped you?

I have applied three times and it has come to nothing!


Whilst I am pretty confident that the boat is capable and well equipped and maintained, a second pair of eyes seems sensible. I would like it done, but despite having asked three times, no response!

My impression: Not good, I am afraid!
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I am a Lifeboat Sea Safety Officer (LSSO) who is a member of a working party set up by RNLI Sea Safety to review the organisation's SEA Check together with how we promote and market the scheme.

One of the the remits of this review is to get feed back from as many boat owners as possible, so I would very be grateful if you could spend a few moments to answer the following questions:-

1. Have you had an RNLI SEA Check - do you have any suggestions on how it may be improved?

2. If not, have you previously heard of RNLI SEA Check?

3. If you have heard of SEA Check but not had one, what has stopped you?


All feed back will be taken into account, but all comments will go into the review anonymously - so please be as open and frank as possible with your answers - if you would rather your answer was not public, please feel free to answer via PM.

As I said, we want to get feed back from as many boaters as possible so if you have any boat owning friends who have any comments, please feel free to add those in as well.

On behalf of the RNLI, thank you very much for your time.

In the meantime if anyone would like to arrange a SEA Check, please let me know the location of your boat and I will PM the contact details of your nearest LSSO.
My reply

1. Have you had an RNLI SEA Check - do you have any suggestions on how it may be improved? - No not had one yet.

2. If not, have you previously heard of RNLI SEA Check? - Yes have heard of it through the guys at Powerboat Training in Poole who mentioned it.

3. If you have heard of SEA Check but not had one, what has stopped you? - I probably think im upto speed and Ok, however I am considering getting one done incase im being too big headed. Will be in touch to arrange one.
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The "willk Recruitment Agency" is available to interview potential candidates

More seriously, I'd suggest older more "Captain Birdseye" jovial types who look like they have "The Knowledge".

Totty is used to encourage reckless spending, not to encourage wreckless boating...
I like "Captain Birdseye" types, they can teach you a lot, using other advisors to target certain groups is worthwhile and for some necersarry, I watched a bloke load his family into a small speedboat so it was overloaded and head off shirtless and not a single lifejacket in the boat, it struggled to start and then broke down in the bay getting towed back in. His demeanour was fairly clear in terms of listening to advice - These chaps are the mobile tragedy merchants who often survive the mayhem they create.
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