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Old 19 September 2011, 01:39   #21
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Have they suddenly mandated Met and climatology into the ICC course now or something?
I'm not sure if this was a serious comment, but for the sake of clarity for those who may not be sure - a knowledge of weather forecasting is now and has been for as long as I can remember a part of ICC (see under Safety section, part 2)
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Old 19 September 2011, 02:31   #22
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Polwart is absolutely right, check your preferred website (or a few) and then if you see conflicting data it might be worth studying a synoptic. Channel - I don't think you went anywhere near suggesting that!
It was Seaskills that said to look at a synoptic chart if there is a difference in modeled predictions wasn't it?

And tried to say that learning how to read a synoptic chart rather than relying on predictions alone was my recommendation, Polwart chose to interpret that as meaning people should be denied computer models. His words, most certainly not mine!
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XC and Windfinder are both ok. But for a serious understanding you need to make the call yourself, based on real measurements not predictions alone.
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I'd agree that you might want to look at a synoptic chart to see if the computer model results make sense
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For me, it's usually a case of not trusting any one website. If I want the best forecast, I compare several and if they agree I tend to trust them. If they don't, I go to the synoptic charts and make up my own mind
I love the way forums draw out an ability to argue while agreeing.
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Seaskills - thanx for the link to the form to refresh memory but section 2 in safety seems to me to just say "Obtain weather forecast". That's hardly understanding weather systems and data from a synoptic chart now is it?
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Old 19 September 2011, 05:46   #25
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Very pleased to see no mention of "Met Check" which suggests that the average IQ of RIBnet members has risen over the years!
You might be reading too much into that.

I believe Met Check availability (and reliability when it is available) had taken a massive nose dive in the last 6 months or so. It must be tricky to maintain the servers etc when inside!

Personally I used to find its short range forecasts pretty good but I stopped using it after the owner got banged up. Its long range stuff was obviously a bit dodgy, but even that if you looked at the general trend +/- 1 day was actually more informative than most long term outlook type stuff.

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You cant really beat looking at the synoptic charts on a regular basis, many of the forecasts on the web use computer models and their accuracy varies.

Having said that, XC and Windfinder are both ok. But for a serious understanding you need to make the call yourself, based on real measurements not predictions alone.
Martin, I don't want to get into an argument with you but the way I read that the bits I have highlighted above all said you were strongly arguing against using on-line forecasts based on computer models as the primary source of information and suggesting RIBbers should spend their time pouring over synoptic charts. I wasn't trying to be beligerent - just point out that I have an OK level of understanding of synoptic charts but whilst I could probably spot a glaring error in a forecast I doubt I could reliably differentiate between two credible but different computer model based forecasts.

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All the above are good, and let's not forget the Met Office or BBC Weather with the options to click through to the Coastal or Inshore waters forecast.

For me, it's usually a case of not trusting any one website. If I want the best forecast, I compare several and if they agree I tend to trust them. If they don't, I go to the synoptic charts and make up my own mind which one I agree with (then keep my fingers crossed
Ian - it is worth pointing out that many of the sites discussed here are all using the same data set - so if they all agree you may be giving yourself false confidence. Personally I don't like the BBC/Metoffice user interface but I don't think they freely license their forecasts so if they do provide a good cross check.
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I wasn't trying to be beligerent
No argument from me

I just wanted to point out that I had not made myself clear, but that neither did I suggest people be denied access to computer model based forecasts. The bit about locking people up was all your idea, at least thats what I shall tell them.
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No argument from me

I just wanted to point out that I had not made myself clear, but that neither did I suggest people be denied access to computer model based forecasts. The bit about locking people up was all your idea, at least thats what I shall tell them.
I've got a basement full of ribnetters. I'm keeping them to feed to Garfie if he ever come round! If you ever wonder why someone has stopped posting for a long time then they are probably down there! Actually I'll need to review security as it appears Richard B has wormed his way out.
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I'm not sure there's much in the way of ventilation down there, although being in Scotland, there's probably a decent draft.

I seem to have heard somewhere that European weather services have to make their data freely available for third party services. I've watched Yr.no's updates, and they match with the UK Met's exactly, for time and content.
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