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Old 12 November 2003, 20:53   #1
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BWM Deep Sea 21

Well here I am again, prying for your many many combined years of RIB knowledge, another boat has come up for sale - and I think it could be for me!
Its a '98 BWM DS 21 with a 2001 150 Optimax on the back. (See pic). It seems to be in reasoably good nick and the guy is looking for around 14k (Only prob is that he's about 5hrs away by car!)
I played with a DS 18 a few years back and it seemed like a good boat. The 21 as I understand it is a deepish vee and a reasonably good sea boat. I need something that will handle a bit of chop with ease - ala Ribtec - and something that isn't going to need constant fixing of things as they fall off / apart.
Any comments regarding this boat would be much appreciated - particularly history and pedigree. Also seaworthyness and build quality.
It comes with a Hallmark Roller-coaster trailer. Do you think this is the right kind of price if all checks out?

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Old 12 November 2003, 20:54   #2
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Old 13 November 2003, 02:47   #3
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Hi, Nick!
I dont know this rib, but there is on article about bying second hand on both Rib Magazine homepage, look under reading - room, and there is an article on ribnets homepage, you find it easily from the main page. These are only for ribs in general though.
My opinion is that the first thing you will have problems with is the engine, and maybe even the rubbermounts on this. I can see that the engine is relatively new, that helps a lot if if it has been well served though.
One of the first problems to occur on the rib itself is probably the glue holding the tubes in the front, try to see if it has been fixed. And the consol, they always break in rough water.
I hope this helped a little.
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Old 13 November 2003, 07:34   #4
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The engines are bloody good. I had a 135 which is the same as that 150 and it was excelent and think i would have gone for ever.
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Old 13 November 2003, 07:47   #5
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stuart (h20) is right about the engine going on and on. we have put 300 hrs on hour this year and it hasn't missed a beat.

You need to check the Hours on the engine,

You need to check the Service history and remaining warranty,

Ask if the lump has had it ECU replaced, this does sometimes happen and it's for the better , but if it happened you need to work out when as the engine hours would have been zeroed.

i would personally take it at my own expense to a service agent and get him to do a printout for me and ask his opinion of engine.

If the engine is good, and they usually are, then I would reduce the cost of the original engine by 20% for the first year and a further 15 for each year afterwards. That will give you the value of the engine. In my world this values the engine at 5.5 k max

If after that the Hull and trailer and other stuff is saying to you I am a bargain at 8.5 k then you are in the Zone.

BWM are Ok boats , not the finest examples of Ribs out there but they are OK. I must admit though that Jahno is flogging a new adventurer for this Kind of money and it looks a much better deal.

You could also Buy a very decent prosport for that kind of money
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Old 13 November 2003, 08:02   #6
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One other thing

There are plenty of boats out there for sale so you only want to buy a secondhand boat that looks as if it's been looked after. If it's 5 years old then it isn't goin to look shiney new, but if it's been kept well then it shouldn't look it's age

Check that any repairs to th gell coats are well finished, any tube repairs are not peeling etc
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Nick I concur with Wave. I have just seen an Opti 150 2001 with 110 hrs on it for £3995. Value of the trailer well £1k and the hull plus fittings ? 3-4k.

BMW were budget boats with no frills which got alot of people on the water cheaply. One or two fell apart but probably more down to the user banging them off walls and jetties than anything else.

Its winter time so lots of boats around. 7m Zodiac hull on trailer in Portsmouth needing a new leg to the stern drive for £6k ? Buyers market until the spring when it goes mad and becomes a sellers market. Have a good shop around.

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Old 13 November 2003, 08:58   #8
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pete where is the zodiac advertised
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Guys
The Zod's gone
I was wanting that one too
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Damn!

She was in this months buy a boat for under £20k.

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The Guy said it went before they could stop it going in this months.
I had just worked out a s/h yanmar 300HP with Bravo3 leg for it in a package I could afford!!
Thats life do the sums and miss the deal!!!
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Old 13 November 2003, 18:53   #12
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DS 21

Thanks guys.

I guess the criteria for my new boat would be:
Reasonably new DFI engine -150ish.
Deep vee hull that wond break on the first stuff / mistake... or the 2nd or the 3rd ..etc.
6 - 6.75m (Dry berthing expensive in Poole)
Jockey seating
14K ish inc trailer.

I have been keeping an eye on the main websites and talking to the occasional broker for around 4months now and had very little success finding the right boat. Not completely convinced yet that this is 'the one' but its pretty close.

Have asked the guy to take some more pics fo the boat and E-mail them to me so I have a little more time to breathe.

Youre right, there are quite a few boats out there at the moment - including a couple of 620's. How would the Avon hull compare to the BWM though. I was under the impression that the Avon was more of a 'Medium deep vee' - if there is such a thing - and gave quite a hard ride in the rough, or am I way off here?

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Oh and something with a bit of 'Ooommph' !
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