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Old 10 December 2009, 03:11   #11
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@ GerryP,

Thanks for your advice. Your right that it could become a problem with the launch. Its a front weel driven car yes, so when it lozes his traction, it could become a problem. THe front wheels got much grip on this little car, and in the first gear it got some power as well.

@chewy,

A other car is not an option, as i like this car to much. Its reliable and cheap in fuel costs. When i dont exceed about 500KG for the whole set, i dont think the panda would struggle much. I know a other (4 wheel driven with much torgue) car would be better, but its to expensive to drive as a daily for me.
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Old 10 December 2009, 03:58   #12
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Don't get too hung up on the front wheel drive - I have recovered a Dell Quay dory with a 1.2 Fiesta over a pebble beach....... And have been dragging the rib out the water with a Focus with no traction dramas.

Also one to think about- Taking Polwart's example and put fuel in the car, you could use a dinghy combi trailer, which might solve the launching problem too?

Brakes will add about 80 - 100Kg to your trailer weight
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Old 10 December 2009, 04:08   #13
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Whats the car rated to? Aren't the Pandas four wheel drive?
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Old 10 December 2009, 04:24   #14
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The car allone weights 835KG (without fuel, oil and extra options)

It can pull 400KG unbraked, 800KG with brakes. Its only 2WD. bou you are true, there are 4WD panda's.

the place where i would probbably launch the boat the most is completely coverred with asphalt.

@ 9d280

I looked up the deel quay Dory, and i really think its heavier than a small rib. good to know that the fiesta did pull it! Im not fomiliar with a dinghy combi trailer, could you give me an example?

thanks for all the advice!
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Old 10 December 2009, 04:47   #15
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Yeah, they're not the ligthest of boats - and that's before the foam inside sooks up a million litres of water......

Combi:
T- frame-
http://www.indespension.co.uk/b2c/ap...ID=1430&slnk=1

A- frame
http://www.merseatrailers.com/produc...&product=C27RA
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http://www.merseatrailers.com/produc...roduct=C27TSTA

(There are lots of variations of the launch trolley part to suit differnet hull shapes)
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Old 10 December 2009, 05:02   #16
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I looked up the deel quay Dory, and i really think its heavier than a small rib.
Most of them have about a ton of water absorbed into the foam core inside the hull! But I don't think recovering on a good slip will be a major issue - I was more concerned with how it would handle on the road. My 1988 Panda never felt the most secure vehicle, not did it have great brakes.

9d280 was suggesting the approach most dinghy sailors take - which is to use very lightweight trolley (small trailer) with cheap wheels (no vulnerable bearings). You use this to put the boat in/out the water and then when you want to tow this somewhere you pull the small lightweight trolley on top of your 'proper' road trailer. This way the real trailer doesn't go in the sea and get rusty etc.

2 adults can just about move my trailer and boat on a good slipway if its not too steep and the ground is solid. With a lighter trolley rather than a trailer it would be easier. You normally don't use a car to move the trolley in / out the water - so if you plan to go single handed this option may not be good for you.
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I also doubt that the panda will pull a rib out of the water. Another consideration is that with the nose weight of the trailer pushing down the rear of the car, the front wheels will be more likely to loose grip.

I would seriously consider another but bigger inflatable. Perhaps a Zodiac 4m with a 30hp engine.

Good luck.
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I also doubt that the panda will pull a rib out of the water.
also? - provided its a good solid slip not covered in weed, sand, slime and not stupidly steep he'll be fine. It might not do the clutch much good but it will manage. If necessary a rope will get the car onto solid ground with no 'nose weight' issues. In my opinion there's too much emphasis on '4x4's as tow vehicles here - the reality is people have managed with 2wd (front or rear) for a long time before 4x4s became common place. A 4x4 is a nice tow vehicle that can make launching and recovering in tricky places much easier (and if your local slip is bad may well be justified), but if you are prepared to be selective about where / how you launch then a 'normal' car is perfectly adequate. I would suggest some thought about tyres however - as our latest vehicle should be more capable that either of its predecessors but the tyres are crap on slippy surfaces.

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I would seriously consider another but bigger inflatable. Perhaps a Zodiac 4m with a 30hp engine.
A perfectly reasonable suggestion - and will save a little weight but a 4m SIB with 30HP engine won't fit in the back of a panda, nor will a modern 30 hp be an easy lifting job - which means he is going to be back to keeping it on a trailer. Realistically a 4m SIB with engine, trailer, etc is only about 20% lighter than the equivalent RIB.
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I think he might have been getting at buying a RIB from a known brand.
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Old 10 December 2009, 06:12   #20
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Small RIB

I have an Avon 311. It's bombproof and ageless. Goes like mad on 15hp.
I think an Avon 340 would be great. I'd like one myself.
Bearing in mind RIBs spend most of their lives outside in the light, I'd go for Hypalon, or one where you can detach the tubes and keep them indoors.
I haven't got shares in Avon, but to my mind there's nothing to touch them.
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