buying a rib hull only

[kevinsc]

Hi all
I new to this forum and i am looking to buy a rib for a bit of fun with the family and also fancy a project aswell, i have hull for sale they say its a pasific 22 but i am not sure if it's to much work needs to be done and would your like your opinion and knowledge on what would need done and what to look out for.
RIB hull ,,was a pasiffic 22 foot,,ex army,,no tubes or engine just a bare hull,, | Livingston | Gumtree
Cheers kevin

[Festinghouse]

i hope the trailer doesnt come with it!

[Nos4r2]

Welcome to Ribnet

Got 20,000 quid to finish it?


Avoid it like the plague.

[Ribochet]

Welcome to RIBnet

Before further comment what experience/background/knowledge do you have to undertake such a "project" ?

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Ribochet

Welcome to RIBnet

Before further comment what experience/background/knowledge do you have to undertake such a "project" ?

I'm guessing very little as he's asking what work needs to be done. Plus, it's a rotting bare hulk of a Pac 22 hull with 2 bloody great holes in the bow that look like they were put there to stop it falling off the trailer.

I'll be honest here, I'd need paying to remove that. It's certainly not worth the cost of a beavertail to remove it on, as it's going nowhere on that trailer.

[Daniel]

That's one huge project.

Those PAC 22's need serious HP to
Propel them, as a very minium a big v6 but ideally two.

Nos's £20,000 comment probably isn't far off.

All that said, however, it probably is worth something and the £150 he's asking means £100 would buy it.

If I didn't have 7 boats already (5 ribs, 1 sib and a hard boat) it's my kind of challenge.

[ShinyShoe]

A Pac22 could be a lovely Rib. Nugent has just done one on here: http://www.rib.net/forum/f8/pac-22-y...ead-61286.html
First thing you should know is this was not Nugent's first rib Project, it wasn't his second, third or fourth. I'm not sure how many he's done but I suspect its well into double figures...

What you've got there is a beat up old lump of GRP. May or may not cost much to tiidy that up in terms of materials. But even if it doesn't cost in materials it will take a lot of labour.

Then you need tubes. Not sure what planet he came from thinking it might be usable without tubes. Tubes are expensive. Really expensive and a PAC 22 is a bigish hull which makes them even more expensive. To compare a 4m Searider tube will cost north of £2-£2.5k. So scaling up you'd be looking at at least £4.5k and my gut is saying £6k. You have no tubes to use as a patern which means you can't find a local tube maker you probably need to go to someone like Henshaws. Henshaws make premium tubes (they probably made the originals for the MOD). Someone like Henshaw may from time to time get a decent second hand tube in... But no matter what its gonna cost a fortune!

Then you need some means of making it move. Thats a beefy engine... Nugent is using 250 horses. That'd cost more than the tubes brand new! But you will be able to get second hand. No transom photo so can't see if its had inboard or outboard in the past.

No console, No steering, deck looks like it may need replaced, As has been mentioned that trailer is a pile of poo.

Ignoring labour and using an old engine its gotta cost £12k+ just to get her on the water

To do it well £20k is more likely!

If you have between £12 and £20k to spend on a hole in the water you would be better finding a £10k, 6.5m boat and spending £2k adding things to it like electronics...

[nugent]

Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

A Pac22 could be a lovely Rib. Nugent has just done one on here: http://www.rib.net/forum/f8/pac-22-y...ead-61286.html First thing you should know is this was not Nugent's first rib Project, it wasn't his second, third or fourth. I'm not sure how many he's done but I suspect its well into double figures... What you've got there is a beat up old lump of GRP. May or may not cost much to tiidy that up in terms of materials. But even if it doesn't cost in materials it will take a lot of labour. Then you need tubes. Not sure what planet he came from thinking it might be usable without tubes. Tubes are expensive. Really expensive and a PAC 22 is a bigish hull which makes them even more expensive. To compare a 4m Searider tube will cost north of £2-£2.5k. So scaling up you'd be looking at at least £4.5k and my gut is saying £6k. You have no tubes to use as a patern which means you can't find a local tube maker you probably need to go to someone like Henshaws. Henshaws make premium tubes (they probably made the originals for the MOD). Someone like Henshaw may from time to time get a decent second hand tube in... But no matter what its gonna cost a fortune! Then you need some means of making it move. Thats a beefy engine... Nugent is using 250 horses. That'd cost more than the tubes brand new! But you will be able to get second hand. No transom photo so can't see if its had inboard or outboard in the past. No console, No steering, deck looks like it may need replaced, As has been mentioned that trailer is a pile of poo. Ignoring labour and using an old engine its gotta cost £12k+ just to get her on the water To do it well £20k is more likely! If you have between £12 and £20k to spend on a hole in the water you would be better finding a £10k, 6.5m boat and spending £2k adding things to it like electronics...

Arr it's not easy for sure,,
You need the skill and patience for this type of project,,
BUT , if yer lucky and know things,, guess that's me. My build cost is a mere £11.9 k to date,,,,,
Have had a written valuation @ 40k to it now,,,,

Got another 3 k ish to throw at it electronically and the a frame. But bloody hell it is some vessel ,,,


I know of a real cheap good artic 22. That I was going to buy , if you seriously want a project I would split the cost of it 40/60 just to have the a frame from her!

[nugent]

This is a mere £500 quid ready to pick up artic 22'
remove lifting frame and some work, to be fare I bet the tubes could be sorted have done worse see before n after shots

If you was serious I can put my name on a set of tubes identical to mine here at 4k with a simple deposit being made ,

[Barrowboy]

Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

A Pac22 could be a lovely Rib. Nugent has just done one on here: http://www.rib.net/forum/f8/pac-22-y...ead-61286.html
First thing you should know is this was not Nugent's first rib Project, it wasn't his second, third or fourth. I'm not sure how many he's done but I suspect its well into double figures...

What you've got there is a beat up old lump of GRP. May or may not cost much to tiidy that up in terms of materials. But even if it doesn't cost in materials it will take a lot of labour.

Then you need tubes. Not sure what planet he came from thinking it might be usable without tubes. Tubes are expensive. Really expensive and a PAC 22 is a bigish hull which makes them even more expensive. To compare a 4m Searider tube will cost north of £2-£2.5k. So scaling up you'd be looking at at least £4.5k and my gut is saying £6k. You have no tubes to use as a patern which means you can't find a local tube maker you probably need to go to someone like Henshaws. Henshaws make premium tubes (they probably made the originals for the MOD). Someone like Henshaw may from time to time get a decent second hand tube in... But no matter what its gonna cost a fortune!

Then you need some means of making it move. Thats a beefy engine... Nugent is using 250 horses. That'd cost more than the tubes brand new! But you will be able to get second hand. No transom photo so can't see if its had inboard or outboard in the past.

No console, No steering, deck looks like it may need replaced, As has been mentioned that trailer is a pile of poo.

Ignoring labour and using an old engine its gotta cost £12k+ just to get her on the water

To do it well £20k is more likely!

If you have between £12 and £20k to spend on a hole in the water you would be better finding a £10k, 6.5m boat and spending £2k adding things to it like electronics...

Have to agree with every word of this.

Edd (Nugent) is a special case. He understates his talent for re-furbs and, as has been said, he's done a lot but even his first one wasn't a Pac 22!

Apart from his skill and experience, he also has access to a large covered space in which to work, some specialist tooling and has a good range of contacts in the business so sourcing bits and pieces is perhaps less of a challenge for him than for many others. He's also got enough experience to be able to recognise something that's fixable and something that ain't; particularly useful where engines are concerned.

By all means take on a project but maybe lower your sights for the first one. Maybe an SR4 or 5.4 to kick off with? Otherwise I'd take Shiny Shoes advice and find a £10k boat that's 'sorted but which you can personalise by adding a few bits and pieces.

A Pac 22 as a first project is a serious undertaking and will take twice as much time and money to get on the water as you initially think.

[kevinsc]

Hi all
Yes its my first rib project and did think it was to big to handle but i like a challange, i been around jetski speedboats and cars for quite sometime and not shy of getting my hands dirty. The project might be a to big for me but someone with a bit more knowledge of ribs, and it will cost a bit to much for me and will need to fine a bit of a small project alot of the bits there
Cheers kevin

[Barrowboy]

Loads of great build threads on here Kevin. Spend an hour, or two, using the search function to find a few and enjoy some crackin' reading.

[kevinsc]

Hi all
I will have a look at through threads, do you recommend any makes and sizes that would carry 5 people easily and will be able to handle rough sea, as i go on trips to the islands around scotland with my mate how also has a rib but i think its not good in rough ish weather
Cheers kevin

[Ribochet]

Originally Posted by kevinsc

Hi all
Do you recommend any makes and sizes that would carry 5 people easily and will be able to handle rough sea, as i go on trips to the islands around scotland

Answers on a postcard

[Squid Boat]

Originally Posted by nugent

This is a mere £500 quid ready to pick up artic 22'
remove lifting frame and some work, to be fare I bet the tubes could be sorted have done worse see before n after shots

If you was serious I can put my name on a set of tubes identical to mine here at 4k with a simple deposit being made ,

I wish I was your neighbor mate, you live in project heaven there. Real fine boat you've put you blood,sweat and tears into.

Cheers, Squid

[nugent]

Originally Posted by Squid Boat

I wish I was your neighbor mate, you live in project heaven there. Real fine boat you've put you blood,sweat and tears into. Cheers, Squid

I try my best. But to be honest. Pretty much done with it all now.

Age n pain kills everything.

Edd

[kevinsc]

Edd i think you should keep up the hard work

[ShinyShoe]

Originally Posted by kevinsc

Hi all
I will have a look at through threads, do you recommend any makes and sizes that would carry 5 people easily and will be able to handle rough sea, as i go on trips to the islands around scotland with my mate how also has a rib but i think its not good in rough ish weather
Cheers kevin

5 people in rough weather... u need 5 seats.

Rough means many things to many people.

Which islands?

[kevinsc]

Lol haha shinyshoes yes 5 seats would be a start it was more the length of the boat if i got one needing work i would put seats into it. I been a few times to arran with my mate in his rib, who has been to a few other islands but mainly its been loch lomond and the forth for me and i feel that about f3 rough water is enough for the wee person
Cheers kevin

[Chris Caton]

we've seen some really lumpy stuff on loch lomond over the years, remember sitting with Jeff Hutcheon watching our 16ft boat disappearing in the troughs on the way back from the pub, it was on a visitors mooring at Milarrochy Bay camp site, glad we weren't sleeping on it that night