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Old 08 August 2014, 17:27   #1
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buying a rib hull only

Hi all
I new to this forum and i am looking to buy a rib for a bit of fun with the family and also fancy a project aswell, i have hull for sale they say its a pasific 22 but i am not sure if it's to much work needs to be done and would your like your opinion and knowledge on what would need done and what to look out for.
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i hope the trailer doesnt come with it!
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Old 08 August 2014, 18:14   #3
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Got 20,000 quid to finish it?


Avoid it like the plague.
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Before further comment what experience/background/knowledge do you have to undertake such a "project" ?
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I'm guessing very little as he's asking what work needs to be done. Plus, it's a rotting bare hulk of a Pac 22 hull with 2 bloody great holes in the bow that look like they were put there to stop it falling off the trailer.

I'll be honest here, I'd need paying to remove that. It's certainly not worth the cost of a beavertail to remove it on, as it's going nowhere on that trailer.
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That's one huge project.

Those PAC 22's need serious HP to
Propel them, as a very minium a big v6 but ideally two.

Nos's 20,000 comment probably isn't far off.

All that said, however, it probably is worth something and the 150 he's asking means 100 would buy it.

If I didn't have 7 boats already (5 ribs, 1 sib and a hard boat) it's my kind of challenge.
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A Pac22 could be a lovely Rib. Nugent has just done one on here: PAC 22. ( Yes another refurb/ build thread )
First thing you should know is this was not Nugent's first rib Project, it wasn't his second, third or fourth. I'm not sure how many he's done but I suspect its well into double figures...

What you've got there is a beat up old lump of GRP. May or may not cost much to tiidy that up in terms of materials. But even if it doesn't cost in materials it will take a lot of labour.

Then you need tubes. Not sure what planet he came from thinking it might be usable without tubes. Tubes are expensive. Really expensive and a PAC 22 is a bigish hull which makes them even more expensive. To compare a 4m Searider tube will cost north of 2-2.5k. So scaling up you'd be looking at at least 4.5k and my gut is saying 6k. You have no tubes to use as a patern which means you can't find a local tube maker you probably need to go to someone like Henshaws. Henshaws make premium tubes (they probably made the originals for the MOD). Someone like Henshaw may from time to time get a decent second hand tube in... But no matter what its gonna cost a fortune!

Then you need some means of making it move. Thats a beefy engine... Nugent is using 250 horses. That'd cost more than the tubes brand new! But you will be able to get second hand. No transom photo so can't see if its had inboard or outboard in the past.

No console, No steering, deck looks like it may need replaced, As has been mentioned that trailer is a pile of poo.

Ignoring labour and using an old engine its gotta cost 12k+ just to get her on the water

To do it well 20k is more likely!

If you have between 12 and 20k to spend on a hole in the water you would be better finding a 10k, 6.5m boat and spending 2k adding things to it like electronics...
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A Pac22 could be a lovely Rib. Nugent has just done one on here: PAC 22. ( Yes another refurb/ build thread ) First thing you should know is this was not Nugent's first rib Project, it wasn't his second, third or fourth. I'm not sure how many he's done but I suspect its well into double figures... What you've got there is a beat up old lump of GRP. May or may not cost much to tiidy that up in terms of materials. But even if it doesn't cost in materials it will take a lot of labour. Then you need tubes. Not sure what planet he came from thinking it might be usable without tubes. Tubes are expensive. Really expensive and a PAC 22 is a bigish hull which makes them even more expensive. To compare a 4m Searider tube will cost north of 2-2.5k. So scaling up you'd be looking at at least 4.5k and my gut is saying 6k. You have no tubes to use as a patern which means you can't find a local tube maker you probably need to go to someone like Henshaws. Henshaws make premium tubes (they probably made the originals for the MOD). Someone like Henshaw may from time to time get a decent second hand tube in... But no matter what its gonna cost a fortune! Then you need some means of making it move. Thats a beefy engine... Nugent is using 250 horses. That'd cost more than the tubes brand new! But you will be able to get second hand. No transom photo so can't see if its had inboard or outboard in the past. No console, No steering, deck looks like it may need replaced, As has been mentioned that trailer is a pile of poo. Ignoring labour and using an old engine its gotta cost 12k+ just to get her on the water To do it well 20k is more likely! If you have between 12 and 20k to spend on a hole in the water you would be better finding a 10k, 6.5m boat and spending 2k adding things to it like electronics...


Arr it's not easy for sure,,
You need the skill and patience for this type of project,,
BUT , if yer lucky and know things,, guess that's me. My build cost is a mere 11.9 k to date,,,,,
Have had a written valuation @ 40k to it now,,,,

Got another 3 k ish to throw at it electronically and the a frame. But bloody hell it is some vessel ,,,


I know of a real cheap good artic 22. That I was going to buy , if you seriously want a project I would split the cost of it 40/60 just to have the a frame from her!
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This is a mere 500 quid ready to pick up artic 22'
remove lifting frame and some work, to be fare I bet the tubes could be sorted have done worse see before n after shots

If you was serious I can put my name on a set of tubes identical to mine here at 4k with a simple deposit being made ,
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A Pac22 could be a lovely Rib. Nugent has just done one on here: PAC 22. ( Yes another refurb/ build thread )
First thing you should know is this was not Nugent's first rib Project, it wasn't his second, third or fourth. I'm not sure how many he's done but I suspect its well into double figures...

What you've got there is a beat up old lump of GRP. May or may not cost much to tiidy that up in terms of materials. But even if it doesn't cost in materials it will take a lot of labour.

Then you need tubes. Not sure what planet he came from thinking it might be usable without tubes. Tubes are expensive. Really expensive and a PAC 22 is a bigish hull which makes them even more expensive. To compare a 4m Searider tube will cost north of 2-2.5k. So scaling up you'd be looking at at least 4.5k and my gut is saying 6k. You have no tubes to use as a patern which means you can't find a local tube maker you probably need to go to someone like Henshaws. Henshaws make premium tubes (they probably made the originals for the MOD). Someone like Henshaw may from time to time get a decent second hand tube in... But no matter what its gonna cost a fortune!

Then you need some means of making it move. Thats a beefy engine... Nugent is using 250 horses. That'd cost more than the tubes brand new! But you will be able to get second hand. No transom photo so can't see if its had inboard or outboard in the past.

No console, No steering, deck looks like it may need replaced, As has been mentioned that trailer is a pile of poo.

Ignoring labour and using an old engine its gotta cost 12k+ just to get her on the water

To do it well 20k is more likely!

If you have between 12 and 20k to spend on a hole in the water you would be better finding a 10k, 6.5m boat and spending 2k adding things to it like electronics...
Have to agree with every word of this.

Edd (Nugent) is a special case. He understates his talent for re-furbs and, as has been said, he's done a lot but even his first one wasn't a Pac 22!

Apart from his skill and experience, he also has access to a large covered space in which to work, some specialist tooling and has a good range of contacts in the business so sourcing bits and pieces is perhaps less of a challenge for him than for many others. He's also got enough experience to be able to recognise something that's fixable and something that ain't; particularly useful where engines are concerned.

By all means take on a project but maybe lower your sights for the first one. Maybe an SR4 or 5.4 to kick off with? Otherwise I'd take Shiny Shoes advice and find a 10k boat that's 'sorted but which you can personalise by adding a few bits and pieces.

A Pac 22 as a first project is a serious undertaking and will take twice as much time and money to get on the water as you initially think.
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