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Old 25 June 2008, 07:16   #1
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Boats & Outboards scam!!!

So who thinks this is a scam!

Hello,

I am sorry but the company will not send you first the engine.It is against their policy to do that. I will try to explain you more simple.Here is how we will do it:
- you will give me your full shipping name and address;
- I will contact the shipping company and i will give them the details to start the shipping process;
- they will contact you with the details about the shipping;
- after the shipping begins, you will have to pay to the shipping company, to the agent in charge with our deal;
- the company will validade the payment and they will keept the money in a fund until you have received and accepted the engine;
- if you have accepted the engine, the money will be given to me,if you refused the engine,all your money will be refunded;
- you will have 10 days to inspect the engine,after it has arrived to you;you can decide if you will keep it or not in this 10 days.
Tell me if everything it's clear to you, if so, provide me your full shipping name and address and I will start the shipping process.

Thank you and i will wait your email.
Claudia








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To: number_660@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: BoatsAndOutboards Advert Response, REF: F184861
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:02:16 +0100


Hi yes if we can do cash on delivery I will take it!



My address is

*************
Regards

Nick Hearne


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From: number_660@hotmail.com [mailto:number_660@hotmail.com]
Sent: 25 June 2008 09:41
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Subject: RE: BoatsAndOutboards Advert Response, REF: F184861



Hello ,

Yes the boat is still for sale is already at a shipping company custody and i can send it anywhere in 3-4 working days.Is in excellent condition and works perfectly,it has the technical book and all papers.I will send it to your home address,you will be able to inspect it( and the papers)and if there is something you don't like about it in any way you can simply send it back on my expense, (no extra money for you).Please let me know if you are still interested.

Best regards,
Claudia











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Subject: BoatsAndOutboards Advert Response, REF: F184861
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:58:14 +0100



Email Enquiry from BoatsAndOutboards relating to the following advert:

F184861 - 2003 10'6 - £ 1400.00
http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F184861

Enquiry From:

Nick Hearne nick@*****************

Message / Question / Enquiry Remarks:

Hi is this still for sale & where are you? Regards Nick Hearne

Senders Postal Address:

[not supplied by user]

Senders Telephone Number:

01494

Senders Email Address:

nick@*****************

Advice on how to avoid online scams:

Please be aware that like all large websites BoatsandOutboards suffers from the attention of those intending to commit fraudulent activity. BoatsandOutboards offers no financial, insurance or transaction related services. Please follow the advice on our How To Avoid Scammers Page:
http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/howto_avoid_scammers




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Old 25 June 2008, 07:51   #2
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a member of my local boat club is having a few problems buying something from a far flung foreign country web site with the old please send payment by a not secure means ,no telephone numbers ony done by email only , now you must pay customs charges and we need money up front ect before it can be relesed to you and quite a lot of money from what i hear , they have a uk accommodation address but no telephone number . but i suppose its the old story , buyer beware if it looks too good to be true then it probley is .
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Old 25 June 2008, 07:53   #3
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Of course it's a scam.

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Old 25 June 2008, 07:56   #4
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a member of my local boat club is having a few problems buying something from a far flung foreign country web site with the old please send payment by a not secure means ,no telephone numbers ony done by email only , now you must pay customs charges and we need money up front ect before it can be relesed to you and quite a lot of money from what i hear , they have a uk accommodation address but no telephone number . but i suppose its the old story , buyer beware if it looks too good to be true then it probley is .
Tell them to send the police to the UK address IF they are asking for cheques to be sent there. If not it's probably an address they've randomly picked off the map.
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Old 25 June 2008, 08:03   #5
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I certainly thought it was too good to be true & a scam, but thought I would have a play with them!
I have reported it to B & O see if they do anything?
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Old 25 June 2008, 08:29   #6
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I certainly thought it was too good to be true & a scam, but thought I would have a play with them!
In that case I want to see a picture of the scammer holding up a banner that says "Speedboats are rubbish"

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Old 26 June 2008, 06:33   #7
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Just having a bit of fun with them!

"Hello Nick,

OK,then.I will contact the shipping company in order to start the shipping process and after that they will contact you by email with all the details about payment and shipping.After you will receive the boat let me know if everything went well.

Thank you and i will wait your email.
Claudia"
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Old 26 June 2008, 18:17   #8
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Just having a bit of fun with them!

"Hello Nick,

OK,then.I will contact the shipping company in order to start the shipping process and after that they will contact you by email with all the details about payment and shipping.After you will receive the boat let me know if everything went well.

Thank you and i will wait your email.
Claudia"
Just to keep it going a bit further on the next 'iteration' you could say that, on reflection you now feel uncomfortable dealing with the 'Agent' as a counterparty holder of the funds and that you would prefer to deal with your own and their banks directly as the trusted agents. You would do this through your 'own company' by using a Letter of Credit arrangement issued by your bank. To set this up you will need to know their bank and account details and could set up LoC settlement terms based on the shipping and acceptance letters.

This is mainly complete b*****ks of course but is close enough to the LoC arrangements to perhaps keep the dialogue up and waste their time - interesting to see if they reveal their Bank details...
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Can imagine the look on your face when a Goldfish 36 P1 Supersport arrives at your door on an air-braked trailer and they want payment in full!!!

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Old 27 June 2008, 03:16   #10
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I have told them I'm backing out, see how long it can go on!

"Good Afternoon Mr. Nick,

Sorry but we told you that we can't send you the boat before you confirm the payment because this is not compliant with our policy.Our company work like an escrow service and you will be included into the buyers protection program and if something bad will happen you will receive the full refund from us.We guarantee you that the deal is GENUINE! You are also 100% covered.

We are looking forward to cooperating with you.

Yours respecfully the board,

GlobetrotterXL® Inc. Financier Department,
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Hearne"

I can call in & pay you & collect & save you the transport coast so you make more money!

Or if you have already been paid I can pay you on deliver as you already have your costs covered!



Nick
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Good Afternoon Mr. Nick,



We are sorry but the seller paied already all the shipping fee and the transaction must end in the way that the seller told you.The boat is in our deposit ready to be shipped, we are just waiting for you to confirm the payment.As soon as we have had this final confirmation we will make the arrangements to deliver the boat .
After you will receive and inspect it you will have to let us know and we will give the money to the seller only after we will have your confirmation.

After the payment is made please email us with the payment details at: autoshipper@financier.com with a copy of the payment receipt from Western Union containing the following details:
- MTCN - 10 digits number from the payment receipt
- Sender Name and Address
- Receiver Name
- Amount
so we can validate the transaction.

We are looking forward to cooperating with you.

Best Regards,

GlobeTrotterXL® Inc. Financier Department,
Customer Support.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Hearne"

Hi I would like to call in & pay you direct & view the boat, can you give me your opening hours!



Regards



Nick

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From: support@transeuro-globetrotterxl.com [mailto:support@transeuro-

Dear Nick Hearne,


Our Customer Crew Claudia requested that you make the payment of £ 1.400 through Western Union Money Transfer Services on our company agent name and address. We will keep your money in a trust fund until you have received the boat and you are satisfied with it. Our company inspects the boat before committing to ship,therefore the risk of receiving it damaged or not as described is considerably agent.

GlobeTrotterXL ® Inc. Agent Details:

Robert Morley
34 Engate Street
SE13 7HA London
United Kingdom


How to make payment?

1. Locate the nearest Western Union Office
2. Make the payment with cash using the above agent details
3. The Seller/Buyer, will personally inform us about the payment confirmation to the representation where the boat was left in our custody,or Seller/Buyer will email us with the payment details at: autoshipper@financier.com with a copy of the payment receipt from
Western Union containing the following details:
- MTCN - 10 digits number from the payment receipt
- Sender Name and Address
- Receiver Name
- Amount"
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