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Old 11 January 2004, 10:25   #1
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Boating Skills Practice

In order to better prepare ourselves for the forthcoming boating season, some friends and I are getting together to learn and practise, a series of boating skills.
The idea is that we meet up and, together, train each other, and enjoy the training by also spending time together in the evening over a drink and a meal.
Some of these exercises could be:
1. Towing and being towed. Can one person, on his/her own, do all these necessary things to take another boat safely in tow? What about two boats towing another (perhaps a heavier) boat? Towing side-by-side?
2. Deploying and recovering a sea anchor. Usage thereof?
3. Anchoring and anchor recovery.
4. Launching and recovering a tender from a RIB.
5. Mounting and using an auxiliary engine
6. Usage of various flare types
7. Correct mooring and springing methods (tidal and non-tidal) including some knots and other rope-work like splicing
8. Transfers at sea under way

And I am sure many others.
Can you suggest others for this list?
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Old 11 January 2004, 10:33   #2
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SEEMS RATHER A GOOD IDEA BRIAN . OH DEAR I SEEM TO BE SHOUTING

Ahh That's better. how about an electronics section, programming your GSP or HVF/DCS that sort od sftuff

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Thanks for that suggestion. Fortunately, we all have the same GPS/Plotter systems and we all reckon we are quite whizz at the nav. stuff.
HOWEVER (he said, shouting back), playing with the DSC side of things would seem to be a v. good idea now that Channel 16............(oh, no. Dont start that again).
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Hi Brian,

In light of last summers' events of people falling out of their boats, Man Over Board would not go amiss. Especially the recovery bit.

Can be extremely difficult if the crew are not on steriods!!

One good dry suited vollunteer needed though
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Old 11 January 2004, 14:03   #5
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Bloody good idea....

please let us all know how you get on. What about practicing different types of recovery i.e, driving on, winching on from the beach (rib out of the water on the hard) etc.

My fellow NWR found such exercises most beneficial last time out in bad conditions and although the aforementioned recoveries were forced they were a good opportunity for all of us to see how it's done.

Good luck and once again, great idea.
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Old 11 January 2004, 15:13   #6
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I don't think Brian will be practicing anykind of trailer recovery with his 9.5mtr several ton of boat MeMe

DSC is a superb idea, i need someone to try out several functions of mine with - any of the SE lot got DSC? I also have the ability to 'request position' but have no idea if my plotter can display this infomation (i've wired it in).

Brian, out of interest do you have a donkey engine? What size and how does it mount to the transom.

This might be hailed a crap idea, but...

On some PW courses, for those that seam to be quite good at it and to make it a bit more fun i run a simple 'fault finding' exercise which you could adapt...

...i generaly use two boats, and disconnect either the a battery cable or the throttle link arm or something simple and then the "students" race each other to get the boat running correctly IE see who can diagnose the problem quickest - tests simple skills on items which could quite likely fail.

In your situation your friends could pull a fuse, disconnect a cable etc. and (suggets they watch to ensure it does not get dangerous) see how good you would be in such a situation...
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Nice bit of kit Dave, where are they available from?
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Commercial version available from http://www.jasonscradle.co.uk/

But if you think about it you could jury rig this type of recovery system quite quickly using available rope on board.....

alternatively a jib off a yacht is also effective...
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I thinks it's called a Jasons cradle, you can get em from Ocean Safety or you could make your own up.

Just one question Dave, is the wife going in or coming out?
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Bit of a long story how we came to get the net, but by looking at their website they are in to bigger vessel rescue systems in the main. Their web address ishttp://www.markusnet.com/product.htm
Main man is an Icelandic guy Petur Peturson who lives in Glasgow-so thats two accents to sort out if you talk to him! Best to e mail him from the site and mention that it is the one we have on our boat.
Really good bit of kit, but not cheap. Stows away in its own velcroed bag out ouf the way between tube and deck so that you forget its there-til you need it! You have to supply your own blonde to practise with!
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last link didnt work - try this http://www.markusnet.com/
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Dave, thanks for the info.

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Just one question Dave, is the wife going in or coming out?
For your sake Rogue I hope you never meet Nicki
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There are another similar Icelandic product available as Markusnet which is an Icelandic product, I will post more detail on the other one tomorrow on this thread
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yep he's in extremely deep doo doo with number two child now.
But not with me, he's my hero 'cos I know now that as I had always suspected I must only look about 20
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Isn't the technique called "parbuckling" and wasn't it used by the old drayman (spl?) to lower and raise the old wooden beer kegs in and out of cellars?...... funny how most of my usless facts are alcohol related.. or is that alcohol fueled...
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yes parbuckling with a couple of ropes is something we used to teach on BSAC courses and still do have a go when we have lifeguards on courses who may have to deal with overweight, very wet holiday makers, but it does mean you have to find the ropes in a hurry and then think about tying them on somewhere which is a bit of a trial if you are alone on board and need to hold onto the casualty at the same time. Lot cheaper than the net though! Talking of the overweight they sling the net over the side so that this particulary decrepid old water skier can use it to climb back in the boat while the crew laugh at him
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Thanks guys. Lots of interesting ideas there. Will add them to the list.
Some we can't quite do. Of the three boats/groups of friends who have agreed to participate:
(I) have a 3.5 ton 9.5m boat
Another has a 5 ton 9m boat and the other
has an 6 ton boat of 11m
so I dont think we will be doing much slipway work!

Out of interest........
we all have Yanmar 300s (the 6 tonner has two of them)
we all have Raytheon colour plotters with combined radar
we all have donkey engines and sibs
(Daniel-mine is a 6hp Selva Long Shaft, fits on a special section of the bathing platform. And no, I have never tried it out and I dont hold out much hope for it doing much that is useful either)

The recovery from man overboard sounds interesting though. And as for a volunteer, where is Keith Hart when you most need him?

Also as I do a lot of single handed cruising, it will be a smart idea for me to try a bunch of this stuff unassisted.

Thanks to all for your good ideas. Keep 'em coming if you can think of any more.
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parbuckling

I've seen a similar technique used in mountain rescue using one of the thicker exposure bags. Being a yorkshire man at heart would prefer to try and save money where possible.

Does any one think this is feasible on the boat or would the water collecting on the bag cause too much of a problem ? (heavier to pull and potentially water in boat !)

I'll give it a try sometime (when a bit warmer).

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