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Old 24 August 2002, 08:14   #41
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To quote you:

On my first long voyage in 1980, even if I could have afforded it, no one would underwrite me. I had no qualifications or experience to speak of. On my last in 1997 I was quoted 33,000 a year. I chose to take the risk and go without it. It was either that or forget the whole thing.

Perhaps if had some form of qualification then you may have been able to get reasonable insurance .......
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Old 24 August 2002, 10:27   #42
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Perhaps if had some form of qualification then you may have been able to get reasonable insurance .......
I don't really think that Mike telling the insurers that he had a RYA level 2 qualification would have had much effect on the quoted premium.

I think we all agree that training is a good thing. Life jackets are a good thing etc. etc.

The problem we have here is an argument of PRINCIPLES.

We have the principle of enforcement by law.
We have the principle of freedom of the individual.

The fact is that argument rarely, if ever, changes people's principles. For example if your favourite colour is red and mine is green you could never convince me by logical argument that red is better than green.

I do not want more regulation and I do not think it will help. You (you know who you are) want more regulation and think it would help. We are as different as longitude and latitude (yet another nautical metaphor).

I hope that the day of the PANDABOAT PATROL and 'Heave to me hearties. Do you have a licence for that rowing boat?", never arrives in my lifetime!

Keith (freedom of the seas campaign organiser) Hart

PS Bill was a right B****R when he was a motorcycle instructor. Weren't you Bill?
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Old 24 August 2002, 16:53   #43
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Keith you know I was a pussycat!! The problem was some people were frightened of me. They thought I was a Barsteward! A gentle nice natured little fellow like me??
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Old 26 August 2002, 16:38   #44
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My pennies worth !!!

I am opposed to regulation / registration for boating, I guess because I personaly am sensible enough and have done about 11 years of blasting around the solent without major incident or being a risk to others.

However, having launched at Eling near Southampton this Sunday I was amazed by two things :

Two young ladies launched a jetski at the slip and proceeded to blast straight out of the sleepy harbour at breaknet speeds just wearing costumes. WHY ? I guess simple reason is they thought it had some pose value.

Second thing was some racy pointy hard thing that looked like a phantom scream up towards the bank on the plane and do a fast turn in and stop near the bank. Why ? guess he was posing. Wouldnt have felt so cool if his throttle stuck open and plowed up the bank through a pile of people.

Whilst principly against regulation is does seem strange why a 12 or even 5 year old with no experience, is allowed to jump on a 110 bhp 65 mph jetski and blast off into the distance ??

Guess regulation will be on its way for this reason alone.
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Why? No idea when there is so much room out there!! See my previous reply regarding Jetskiers stupidity!!

Coincidently, 2 jet skiers collided off of St Lawrance bay yesterday (River Blackwater), 1 dead with a broken neck the other in hospital with shock!!
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Old 26 August 2002, 18:28   #46
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There is a lot of room out in the Atlantic, the Channel or the Firth of Hart , but there certainly isn't much in the Solent.

There is also a lot of people out there who like the loud pedal (especially me) and that is why the co regs need to be known and followed.

If you don't and are involved in a near miss then why shouldn't the innocent party take your SSR number and request that you be educated or reprimanded.

Whilst we are on the subject of training, why can't people go to night school to get a ticket, it's cheap and it's appropriate.

Insurance, I may be obtuse but wouldn't economies of scale apply if insurance was compulsory and many more policies were written


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Old 26 August 2002, 19:08   #47
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'life in Tehran under the Taleban :'

some info keith:

1. No powerboating in Tehran

2. No Taleban in Tehran

3. No Taleban rules on powerboating

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Old 27 August 2002, 06:26   #48
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Se what I mean. safety campaigners have called for a change in the law...............

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2218095.stm

And what next will they be demanding we make a legal requirement?

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That is actually totally different. What they're campaigning for is for it to be illegal to HIRE boats out without PROVIDING life jackets. It's totally up to the users if they want to wear them or not. They aren't campaigning for any restrictions on personal boats.

If, however, for some reason it was made compulsory to wear lifejackets, how would they define lifejacket? Would it be any device worn by you that provides a certain amount of lift, or would it need to be a properly certified life jacket? I'm asking this because when I go out on a RIB, I'm wearing my diving drysuit and my Buddy Commando stab jacket partially inflated. Would that be seen as a lifejacket? Or would I need to spend more money to get me a lifejacket? Plus that means even more stuff being carried on the RIB when we're off on a dive. As then we would HAVE to wear lifejackets, as our BCDs are then on the bottle rack attached to the rest of our kit, even though we're wearing partially inflated drysuits, and no weightbelts.

I can agree with some points being made by Keith and the others, but other things I do think need to be changed. Training should be compulsory. Sure, some people will ignore that, but I think there's some other people that previously didn't bother because they "didnt have too", but will then decide it's not worth the risk, and get themselves trained up.

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This weekends scores

So far this weekend we have had

A waterskier being towed by his wife and managing to pile into the back off the boat........I dead. It was his birthday present.


A jetskier rode into a windsurfer off Lee on Solent and broke the guys ankle. Ok that's not really serious, but the jetskier wasn't insured and the windsurfer won't be walking for a while.

Two jetski's collided 1 dead.

What's an acceptable level of death before it becomes distasteful

and some fool in a Camel boat (me) drifted across the path of the powerboat racing fleet in Cowes. Very fortunately the safety boat was on the case and got us out of the way in good time.

He didn't swear much when he was discussing the issue with us on dry land either. very embarrassing, especially given my strong views on safety subjects.
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