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Old 11 November 2005, 10:29   #51
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... as he wasn't aware of the Court decision and then ammend his chart as appropriate....
He needs to amend it in a few places.
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Old 11 November 2005, 10:33   #52
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He needs to amend it in a few places.
Eagle Eyes.... 'course we could all become Circus people and dispense with all these petty little rules and regulations....Now, how do I register as a one man Circus?
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Now, how do I register as a one man Circus?
i know a man who is a one man circus who might be able to point you in the right direction!!!!
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i know a man who is a one man circus who might be able to point you in the right direction!!!!
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Good innit? How about the fact that I can drive my 11,500 Kg Motorhome (when it's finished) on a car license and it's just subject to an ordinary MOT not plateing???

Yeah good innit. Exactly which part of all this shite did you reckon was "clear"?
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Mmm...couldn't find the MAM of the trooper but its curb weight is about the same as LR 110 at 2000Kg give or take... so allowing for a payload of 750 Kg (I'm guessing..don't shoot!) your max gross weight for a trailer before tacho rules cut in is 750KG.... you'd need a tacho dude...
OK OK. As I understand it (and I don't really) the max all up vehicle + trailer weight before tacho rules is a combined figure of 3,500 kgs. The recomendation for max safe trailer towing weight in proportion to vehicles weight is "80-85% of the combined axle weights" (weight on the 2 axles of the towing vehicle), so if the Trooper is (as you correctly say, around 2,000kgs similar to a LR 110) then the max towing weight of the trailer is 85% of the vehicle weight which is: 1,600 kgs. Combined together gives us 3,600 kgs which is 100 kgs above the tach requirement. Now, interestingly, the max trailer weight of 85% of vehicle weight is only a recommendation, not mandatory, so I'm not even going to bother being precise with that. All I have to ensure is that the trailer and vehicle weigh a total of 3,500 kgs, but regretfully it's more. My only hope to avoid a tach (and an operators licence by the way) therefore is to hope that the trailer and use are exempt. To this end, I have written to Mr Phillip Brown the Traffic Commissioner for this area asking for a clarification.

Now, anyone know anything about deplating a classic Bedford Fire Engine? This is not a joke...
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Good innit? How about the fact that I can drive my 11,500 Kg Motorhome (when it's finished) on a car license and it's just subject to an ordinary MOT not plateing???

Yeh? And how fast are you allowed to drive it. Legally that is, not by her who shouts at you.
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(and an operators licence by the way) therefore is to hope that the trailer and use are exempt. To this end, I have written to Mr Phillip Brown the Traffic Commissioner for this area asking for a clarification.

Now, anyone know anything about deplating a classic Bedford Fire Engine? This is not a joke...


This is the bit to pin your hopes on...


"Drivers are also exempt from the EC drivers’ hours and tachograph rules when
engaged in the following transport operations in the UK"


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• Vehicles used as shops at local markets or for door-to-door selling or used for
mobile banking, exchange or saving transactions, for worship, for the lending
of books, records or cassettes, for cultural events or exhibitions, and specially
fitted for such uses.


You could argue, by virtue of the fact that the heading refers to "transport operations" that this means Trailers too despite the exemption class shown here clearly saying "Vehicles". You could, however come unstuck in two ways. 1) They judge that "Vehicles" does not include "Trailers" or that that the use of the word "or" implies Cultural events or "cultural" exhibitions, in the same way the word "or between records and cassettes means lending records or "lending" cassettes.. It's one for the Courts too... Good luck

What do you need to "downplate" an old Fire Pump for?
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Yeh? And how fast are you allowed to drive it. Legally that is, not by her who shouts at you.
That don't matter a whole lot to me considering the gearing....

Transfer box and drive line all fixed and cab refurbed... it's a slow process.... now for the back body
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That don't matter a whole lot to me considering the gearing....
I wasn't being cheeky, I was asking. Are you limited to 40?

You could give me more info too re the 11500kg. If I had a camper which weighed 4500kg and I stuck a 3500kg trailer on the back, could I get around the 7500kg limit of me normal licence?
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