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Old 11 November 2005, 08:07   #31
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This should answer the question:

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Old 11 November 2005, 08:09   #32
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Like I said, not that clear, but anyway. So I have a vehicle that weighs 1,000 kgs, a trailer that weighs 3,100 kgs, a maximum permissable towing weight (according to the vehicle manufacture) of 3,500 kgs (presume this means trailer weight?) Plus it's an exhibition trailer (which I understand is also exempt anyway)

Are we legal under the weight restrictions only?

I have actually had 3 different views on this. Make my day!
Exhibition trailers are not exempt. High Court ruling of 2003. If it's in connection with your business.

You have a car that weighs 100OKg (unladen I assume?) and has a Max permissible trailer weight of 3,500KG ? What is it?

You need to know the Maximum Permissible Gross Weight (MAM) of the vehicle and trailer, not the unladen weight and also the Maximum Train Weight, but I would suggest you will need a tacho once you have checked this out..Sorry
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Tim,

I like the chart! When was that dated and off what agency? Slightly incorrect as far as I know on the "exemption clause" since Court ruling of 2003? although there are a large amount of people exempt... notably Circus people and..... Lifeboat boyos....
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Arh yes it's five years old (2000). It's from "safe and legal towing" published by the NTTA
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THEY are at it AGAIN?

I thought we got rid of THEY onto Boatmad.

Anyway, the towing thing. It's perfectly clear......right?

Actually, I'm waiting for the world's foremost expert on towing to emerge as he's bound to know the answer and can explain it very clearly I'm sure.
even an expert needs to do his research on google first before posting!!!!!!!!

Nothing derogatory or however you spell it to the "they" i have personally spoken with quite a few folks on the towing limits and in my view if people arnt sure and have differing views on the intepretation then it is not clear in the way it is written. Piss poor performance by the authorities in my book.

anyway shall sit and await the arrival of the god of all knowledge to pipe up
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they arent listening.......haha, glad you got it sorted
Yes THEY are.... You'd be amazed how many people tow illegally without even knowing it.. if Tim had paid a fellow student to fetch the boat in a transit, for instance, he may have left the chap open to prosecution and penalty without even realising it. How many PB training schools use LR's for towing/launching and haven't realised they need a Tacho? Unless, of course they live on an island of less than 2,300 square miles that isn't attached to the mainland by a bridge...I kid you not!
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....and in my view if people arnt sure and have differing views on the intepretation then it is not clear in the way it is written. Piss poor performance by the authorities in my book.

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That's why they are tested before the Courts and then the Court ruling applies and those of us with Operators Licenses have to keep a sharp eye on the creeping tide of legislation... Ignorance is no defence and all that fine stuff...
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Indeed; I'm going to take it down to Norfolk (home) for the winter and fit it out;
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Exhibition trailers are not exempt. High Court ruling of 2003. If it's in connection with your business.

You have a car that weighs 100OKg (unladen I assume?) and has a Max permissible trailer weight of 3,500KG ? What is it?

You need to know the Maximum Permissible Gross Weight (MAM) of the vehicle and trailer, not the unladen weight and also the Maximum Train Weight, but I would suggest you will need a tacho once you have checked this out..Sorry

Ok, I have advice that exhib trailers are exempt and have seen this on VOSA/DVLA web site myself, but I'll go back and check. Under what cirumstances would an exhibition trailer NOT be in connection with a business?

OK so how do we discover the MAM and the MTW?

Vehicle is Bighorn (Trooper) LWB import but we will probably be using a LWB Landie in 2006. Thanks for your help. I have to say I have had so many different intepretations even from professional towing companies that it's all becoming a gasp....blur...can't (cough) breathe....(gasp) must... get.... free....(grunt)
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http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/hgvpsvdrivers/tachographsanddrivershours/ecdrivers'hoursandtachographrulesforgoodsvehiclesf aq.htm#P62_4678

FAQ 4)..

b***cks.. can't get the link to work... will try again...Nope!

Go to www.vosa.gov.uk and put this into search and look for FAQ 4) then follow the links.. good luck

EC Drivers' Hours And Tachograph Rules For Goods Vehicles FAQ
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