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Old 24 December 2012, 12:49   #21
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Like it or lump it, Cowes now has it.
From the CHC newsletter:

New General Directions for Cowes

The new Cowes Harbour Revision Order 2012 (HRO) will come into force on 7 January 2013. This important statute modernises and improves the legislative powers vested in Cowes Harbour Commission to run an efficient and safe harbour.



The most important provision in the HRO is to empower CHC to issue General Directions to promote "conditions conducive to the ease, convenience or safety of navigation, the safety of persons and the protection of property, flora and fauna of the harbour". These General Directions will be the new local harbour legislation which the Commissioners propose will replace the old Byelaws that are no longer entirely fit for purpose.



The statutory consultation process

In early January 2013 the draft General Directions, which have already been subject to extensive informal consultation with bodies such as the Cowes Harbour Advisory Committee (CHAC), the RYA, local sailing schools, yacht clubs and fishermen, will be passed to "statutory consultees" for formal review and agreement.



Have your say on the draft General Directions

Ideally, harbour users should be able to channel any comments on the draft General Directions through their representative on the CHAC. However, if this is not possible then submissions to CHC can be made in writing, copy to CHAC as the statutory consultee, before 18 February 2013. Letters may be sent to the Harbour Office, Town Quay, Cowes, Isle of Wight PO31 7AS, and emails to: chc@cowes.co.uk, copy to chac@cowes.co.uk.



Timeline

CHC's aim is to introduce the new General Directions on 1 April 2013.



What major changes will the new regulations bring?

One significant change is to the general speed limit in the harbour from 6 knots over the ground to 6 knots through the water. The change will improve safety and prevent damage. Furthermore, it is proposed to reduce the speed limit south of the commercial wharves at Kingston to 4 knots. The other major proposed change affecting yachtsmen will be to give the Chain Ferry general priority over other vessels.



Further information

The new HRO, draft General Directions, and supporting information, including Questions & Answers, are available on the CHC website, or, they can be made available at the Harbour Office.



Read the full story on COWES.co.uk.
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Old 24 December 2012, 14:48   #22
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The new Cowes Harbour Revision Order 2012 (HRO) will come into force on 7 January 2013.
Have I missed Christmas?

Now can someone tell me how you measure speed through the water reliably?
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Now can someone tell me how you measure speed through the water reliably?
Good question, tides and stream will surely have an affect also.
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Effectively then if you have a 4 knot tide south of Kingston it's only legal to sit still
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Against the tide - sit still. With the tide go at 8kts SOG and you'll only be doing 4kts through the water ?
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Now can someone tell me how you measure speed through the water reliably?
I think the general idea is to reduce wash, which is observable.
Also remember your primary objective is to stay out of danger, so if your lack of way through the water is putting you in a hazardous position, then I guess its ok to increase your speed a bit.
Thats my take on it anyway.
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I think the general idea is to reduce wash, which is observable.
Also remember your primary objective is to stay out of danger, so if your lack of way through the water is putting you in a hazardous position, then I guess its ok to increase your speed a bit.
Thats my take on it anyway.
I would also like to think that, but I can think back to Cowes Week about 3-4 years ago, Northerly force 7 straight up The Medina and I was tasked out to get a person off a tall ship at Lepe in shelter. I left the river and had to increase to about 12 knots to keep safe with waves on the bow. A police launch gave me a ticking off! If I had slowed I would have taken a wave over the bow
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Does the chain ferry not have right of way over other craft then?
I thought any vessel whose manoeverabilty was constrained (ball over diamond over ball) had right of way.

No-one sensible would want to argue or get to close to a chain ferry in any case fro the obvious reasons.

When they put the new Higher Ferry on the DArt, the extra distance you need to keep as the hawsers are so much higher than with the old one - and the ferry's much quicker - is amazing.

I too would love to know how anyone can accuately measure the "speed over water" as opposed to speed over the ground.
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Does the chain ferry not have right of way over other craft then?
I thought any vessel whose manoeverabilty was constrained (ball over diamond over ball) had right of way.

No-one sensible would want to argue or get to close to a chain ferry in any case fro the obvious reasons.

When they put the new Higher Ferry on the DArt, the extra distance you need to keep as the hawsers are so much higher than with the old one - and the ferry's much quicker - is amazing.

I too would love to know how anyone can accuately measure the "speed over water" as opposed to speed over the ground.
Thats right speed over water is completely irrelevant, SOG is what counts as relivant, as mentioned when pushing a strong current the readings are completetly different, and the COLREG's would certainly agree that vessels with restricted maneuverability should be given right of way. All carefully coordinated by the Harbour Master whilst in port of course.
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Does the chain ferry not have right of way over other craft then?
I thought any vessel whose manoeverabilty was constrained (ball over diamond over ball) had right of way.

No-one sensible would want to argue or get to close to a chain ferry in any case fro the obvious reasons.
It is a little known fact that Rule 1 (b) of the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea allows for Local Harbour Authorities to introduce their own special rules (bye-laws) and an example of this is that the Poole Chain Ferry has right of way over all other vessels, except those under compulsory pilotage. Where as its counterpart in Cowes has to give way to all vessels.

Extract from Cowes Harbour Bylaws (1972) as amended

a. The Chain Ferry shall give way to vessels navigating in the harbour, whether proceeding in a northerly or southerly direction.
The Chain Ferry shall, by day and by night, when proceeding from one bank to the other, exhibit at the fore end, a flashing white light, so positioned as to be visible all round. For the purpose of this byelaw, the fore end of the Ferry means the end nearest the side of the River Medina to which the Chain Ferry is proceeding.
c. During fog or any other condition similarly restricting visibility, the Chain Ferry shall sound, when proceeding from one bank to the other, two prolonged blasts on a whistle or a portable fog horn, at intervals of not more than one minute.
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