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Old 03 December 2008, 13:21   #21
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At Last...Cap'n Sensible has spoken..

Gar,
give 'em back the fifty...

Seriously where is the love?.....

And there I was looking forward to a bit of fun in 2010.

Maybe stay at home.

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Old 03 December 2008, 14:03   #22
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Thanks for your feedback. None of BIBOA's cruises are organised/targetted for specific sizes of RIB.
except the one in question! (All participants have to be BIBOA members for the event - so it is to all intents and purposes a BIBOA event even if it wasn't their idea in the first place).

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We are always looking for people willing to organise cruises so if what is currently on offer doesn't suit, why not join up and organise something yourself?
I predicted to myself you would make such a suggestion. I doubt many people join and then start organising cruises for you straight away though... perhaps I can organise a cruise for small boats and BIBOA can be a partner

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I disagree that our fees are high. I did a quick Google of Sailing Associations and randomly clicked on a few. Some didn't state their fees but those who did were as follows (all for individual adult membership for which BIBOA charges 50): 65, 125, 120, 55.
I think you must be looking at Sailing clubs, who normally have a physical presence etc... try searching for Boat owners association or class association. By way of example:
  • Cobra and Seawolf association (yachts) 10 pa
  • Shetland Owners Association 4 for life!
  • Residential Boat owners association 12-21 pa
  • Leisure Owners Association (yachts) 10 pa
  • National 12 Owners Association (dinghies) 10-17.50 pa
  • Guernsey Boat Owners Association 10 pa
  • Wayfarer Association (dinghies) 16-20 pa
  • Pathfinder powerboat club 30 pa
All these organisations seem far more comparable to what BIBOA offer - they represent the membership, might set some rules for racing, and organise occassional events/cruises/races - rather than being a club with premises and a very regular program of activities.

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Regarding our photostock and statement - we are being honest. They are actual photos taken by members during BIBOA events and the smallest main boat owned by a member is 4.5m. I guess we could be dishonest and pretend otherwise but that's not the way we like to operate.
so in that case it is a group of "bigger boat owners" that is not so welcoming for people with diddy boats! Also by "advertising" in this way it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy - if BIBOA felt strongly that it wanted to represent all rib owners it would look at ways of presenting itself as more inclusive.
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Old 03 December 2008, 16:08   #23
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I was a member. Left.

Most of the advertised events were longish distance. Too "adventurous" for me. Cruise coordinator has an 8.5m diesel Scorpion which seems to go very well in all weathers.

Was hoping that the revamped website would be a good resource - a bit like this one. Took for ever for it to be updated.

Didn't see value for my membership.

Voted with my feet. No point complaining about it.

I hope things have evolved since I was last a member a couple of years ago.
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Old 03 December 2008, 16:32   #24
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IMost of the advertised events were longish distance. Too "adventurous" for me. Cruise coordinator has an 8.5m diesel Scorpion which seems to go very well in all weathers.
He's probably cruise coordinator because no other bugger wants the task. Been there done that. (And had a 6.5m RIB at first.) The Cruise Coordinators two favourite cruises btw are ideal for small RIBS - Solent and East Coast Rivers.

Nice to see nothing changes in the ribbing world. You don't have to join BIBOA to go ribbing. The 'club' does offer some benefits and a great way to meet genuine likeminded souls. Even those with Scorpions. But if it's not for you then why make a big deal out of it? And do have some feeling for those (such as Louise) that put a great deal of effort into a club and often get little praise for it.

Back on the topic(ish) of the GBRR..... I can see the benefit in the 7.5m rule in terms of keeping average speeds up (like it or not bigger boats can sustain higher cruising speeds more readily than smaller ones) to get round in the timeframe. The counter argument of course is that RB4 back in 2002 went round Britain in 10 days with 5m RIBs. We were lucky with the weather though!

I haven't read the website in detail, how much is the entry fee? It is a RIB International event after all............
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OK, enough is enough. I have a life to lead so this will be my last post on this thread.

Polwart, I've looked at the first four associations and none of them is comparable to BIBOA. You are not comparing like with like. Anyway, it sounds like you are never going to join a club like BIBOA so I can't see any point in continuing the discussion.

Duncan, yes I think you're right that BIBOA is an 'adventurous' club. Short cruises are well catered for here on RIBnet but for those of us who want to sometimes push ourselves a bit further, BIBOA offers the chance to do more extended cruising in company. This is in addition to gentler BIBOA cruises such as the day-long cruises around various parts of the Solent which take place over the Easter weekend. I'm happy to say that the vast majority of our members renew every year, but then no-one (or club) will ever please all the people all of the time.
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Old 03 December 2008, 17:16   #26
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OK, enough is enough. I have a life to lead so this will be my last post on this thread.

Polwart, I've looked at the first four associations and none of them is comparable to BIBOA. You are not comparing like with like. Anyway, it sounds like you are never going to join a club like BIBOA so I can't see any point in continuing the discussion.

Duncan, yes I think you're right that BIBOA is an 'adventurous' club. Short cruises are well catered for here on RIBnet but for those of us who want to sometimes push ourselves a bit further, BIBOA offers the chance to do more extended cruising in company. This is in addition to gentler BIBOA cruises such as the day-long cruises around various parts of the Solent which take place over the Easter weekend. I'm happy to say that the vast majority of our members renew every year, but then no-one (or club) will ever please all the people all of the time.
I'm thinking of joining BIBOA as soon as I can get these damn Osprey decals off of my boat.
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Old 03 December 2008, 18:15   #27
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Polwart, I've looked at the first four associations and none of them is comparable to BIBOA. You are not comparing like with like. Anyway, it sounds like you are never going to join a club like BIBOA so I can't see any point in continuing the discussion.
well perhaps BIBOAs marketing is missing me then - cos I can't see a fundamental difference. They represent and organise events for mutual benefit of groups of people with a common interest in a type of boat. I specifically included the pathfinder club as it is obviously very close to what BIBOA seem to me to be. The others were the first owners assocs membership fees that google found for me.
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Duncan, yes I think you're right that BIBOA is an 'adventurous' club. Short cruises are well catered for here on RIBnet but for those of us who want to sometimes push ourselves a bit further, BIBOA offers the chance to do more extended cruising in company. This is in addition to gentler BIBOA cruises such as the day-long cruises around various parts of the Solent which take place over the Easter weekend.
I am happy that you agree that many of BIBOA's activities are more suited to bigger offshore boats then. And bearing that in mind I am sure you will see how "outsiders" would think the same.
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Old 03 December 2008, 18:23   #28
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Anyway, it sounds like you are never going to join a club like BIBOA so I can't see any point in continuing the discussion.
Thats not true. Well if the club "like BIBOA" was about 1/2 the cost, ran cruises local to me more than say once a year and openly welcomed folks with small boats! And I suspect if it was closer to a tenner a year then many more people would join even if they don't participate in the events.
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I saw the event thread read BIBOA and ignored it, what a fool I was. It's a cracking argument, open, passionate and opinionated. Well done people

As three of the moderators were involved I imagine the temptation to delete an opponents post was ever present
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Thats not true. Well if the club "like BIBOA" was about 1/2 the cost, ran cruises local to me more than say once a year and openly welcomed folks with small boats! And I suspect if it was closer to a tenner a year then many more people would join even if they don't participate in the events.

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