Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 09 January 2007, 11:37   #21
RIBnet admin team
 
Nos4r2's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
Boat name: WhiteNoise/Dominator
Make: Ballistic 7.8/SR5.4
Length: 7m +
Engine: Opti 225/Yam 85
MMSI: 235090687/235055163
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,645
RIBase
Cheers

That hublock looks impressive. I bet I could get one off in under 10 minutes though with the right tools and a little lateral thinking.

Saying that, 10 minutes is 10 minutes too long for a thief.
__________________
Need spares,consoles,consumables,hire,training or even a new boat?

Please click HERE and HERE and support our Trade Members.

Join up as a Trade member or Supporter HERE
Nos4r2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 January 2007, 12:46   #22
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: poole
Make: ring
Length: 5m +
Engine: 150xr2
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 180
[quote=Nos4r2;181159] Cheers

I bet I could get one off in under 10 minutes though with the right tools and a little lateral thinking.

kinell.......thankfully your one of the good guys, as I assume using a computer would be beyond the average scum bag
__________________

__________________
ribit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 January 2007, 13:00   #23
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
The problem with that JBS Hublock thing is you have to take your wheels off. Not very good if you use your boat once or twice a week.

Anyone know any good simple easy to put on wheel locks.

I'm using a SAS wheel clamp, a cheap thing I bought on EBay and a Bulldog Titan wheel clamp.

I would have thought, I will gladly be corrected here as I'm no welder, that if Oxy Acetylene was used to get them off the tyres would pop. Aren't the more expensive clamps made with reinforced steel. Probably wouldn't stop someone in a quiet yard nicking it but outside your house I would have thought they'd get noticed.
__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 January 2007, 13:01   #24
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
Is this one easy to use.

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/...fessional.html
__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 January 2007, 14:14   #25
Member
 
Pete7's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Gosport
Boat name: April Lass
Make: Moody 31
Length: 9m +
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 4,850
Similar but cheaper, Towsure in Sarfhampton had sold out the other day though,

http://www.towsure.com/product.asp?p=13026

Quote:
Originally Posted by ribit View Post
kinell.......thankfully your one of the good guys, as I assume using a computer would be beyond the average scum bag
Unfortunately as this rare photo of the Garfish shows he does and has been practising his subtle lock picking techniques
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Garfish.JPG
Views:	144
Size:	11.2 KB
ID:	24153  
__________________
.
Ribnet is best viewed on a computer of some sort
Pete7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 January 2007, 14:17   #26
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Macclesfield
Boat name: Aqua Fresh
Make: Zodiac Medline
Length: 5m +
Engine: 60hp Yamaha
MMSI: 235051988
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 333
great article

i am in the cctv business so if anybodys intrested i will put together a professional package which can be DIYed at cost

Also intresting article in Sports boat and RIB this month re security
there was a quote stating that camaflugeing (!?) Boat as Vauxhall cavalier may work or any Vauxhall for that matter :-)

Andy
__________________
floater is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 January 2007, 14:30   #27
Member
 
Country: Other
Town: Oakley
Boat name: Zerstörer
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF 140
MMSI: 235050131
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,931
Quote:
Originally Posted by floater View Post
i am in the cctv business so if anybodys intrested i will put together a professional package which can be DIYed at cost

Also intresting article in Sports boat and RIB this month re security
there was a quote stating that camaflugeing (!?) Boat as Vauxhall cavalier may work or any Vauxhall for that matter :-)

Andy
Andy,

PM sent.

Regards Nick.
__________________
http://www.xfire.com/download/
Biggles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 January 2007, 15:38   #28
RIBnet supporter
 
Ian M's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: New Milton
Boat name: Jianna
Make: Osprey
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200 E-TEC
MMSI: 235076954
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,933
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nos4r2 View Post
I've been thinking about this for a bit as I don't want someone to take my boat either and I got thinking. What would I do if I wanted to steal a boat and what would put me off it? Think as though you're a thief and you'll get most of the answers.

So, let's go and steal a boat.
Matt,
Good post. Are you sure you put that together by just thinking about it - no practical experience?
__________________
Ian

Dust creation specialist
Ian M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 January 2007, 17:33   #29
RIBnet admin team
 
Nos4r2's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
Boat name: WhiteNoise/Dominator
Make: Ballistic 7.8/SR5.4
Length: 7m +
Engine: Opti 225/Yam 85
MMSI: 235090687/235055163
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,645
RIBase
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian M View Post
Matt,
Good post. Are you sure you put that together by just thinking about it - no practical experience?
I'd have a damn sight more money if I put it into practice!

I've had to 'deal' with a few hardened chains and locks and so on in the course of work.A long time ago I worked in a back street bike shop and breakers.The owner would buy anything-a lot of which had had the keys lost after being standing around in gardens/garages for years so we had to drag them into the pickup and deal with it in the yard. I was also trained in removing certain security measures by a security company. One of the byproducts of removing them in a safe manner is that it's silent.

And...(grammar ) I'm rather good with an oxy kit.

Obviously I'm not going to post any methods on here as anyone can read it and I'd like to bet there's potential thieves that read these forums(not registered members obviously).I'm quite happy to talk about it face to face though.

Wheelclamps:-

Yes it's possible to remove a clamp with an oxy kit without popping tyres. A gas axe isn't the only way to remove them either. What will make it harder/slower with a cutting torch is multiple layers of steel with gaps in between-box section with limited access for example. Lack of access for the torch head is another.Good stainless won't cut with a gas axe-it won't oxidise so has to be melted through. A gas axe will melt it but it'll take a hell of a lot longer. A grinder is a no-no unless the thief thinks there's no-one about to hear it and then they'll use one.

What you've really got to remember is that your hitchlock and wheelclamp is enough to deter opportunist thieves. Any that aren't put off by them are making a lot of money at it and will probably have expensive gear to get round any security measures you have in place. All you can do with these is either
a) catch them in the act.(be careful-there'll be more than one of them, they'll already be in a stolen vehicle and equipped for theft so they will try and get away at any cost. If they are caught they'll be going to prison.)
b)Frighten them off before they can start.
c)Make it not worth their while to steal it in the 1st place.
d)Make it easily identifiable. (goes with hand in hand with(c) ) Datatags and microdots work wonders here-as long as the warning stickers are in plain view.
e)If there's a failed attempt at theft of your boat MOVE IT.IMMEDIATELY. They know it's there and they know what security it has. They'll be back with the right tools the second time.

All anyone can do is make them move on to an easier target.
__________________
Need spares,consoles,consumables,hire,training or even a new boat?

Please click HERE and HERE and support our Trade Members.

Join up as a Trade member or Supporter HERE
Nos4r2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12 February 2007, 06:35   #30
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Ossett
Length: no boat
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 4
Rib/boat Security

Quote:
Originally Posted by davetpk View Post
Google for JSB Hublock - about to order one for my boat (sorry, not a rib :-( ) for use over winter storage - lots of threads in Caravan forums etc about how 3 or 4 hours with an acetylene torch won't get it off - apparently it melts the hub first !

Dave
Hello Dave,
I don't know if you have tried to contact us but I found your posting here through Google.
If you keep your RIB/boat on a trailer it's "ready to go" for the thieves unless you can "effectively" immobilise the trailer.
Wheel clamps and hitch locks are recomended by insurance, police and retail outlets because that is what is presently available.
We fitted these to our caravan which was stolen, then we became aware that wheel clamps and hitchlocks are easily removed by angle grinders, forced off by stilsons, and even the very best can be removed in 20 seconds using small portable oxyacetylene cutting gear. Chains, ground anchors, security posts, padlocks, steel security gates and fencing are also easily removed.
We realised that our new caravan was vulnerable since the thieves usually return in a couple of months knowing we will have a new replacement caravan "ready to go".
To resist an oxyacetylene attack was the big problem which no other device has so far managed to overcome, and this was the key.
Wheel clamps cannot be made secure.
Removing the wheels will immobilise the trailer but thieves do case the job and will bring a set of stolen wheels.
Locking bolts can be be removed easily using removal sockets.
Our answer is to bolt the JSB HUBLOCK directly to the brake hub using high security locking bolts. The holes in the disc are close tolerance around the bolts preventing use of sockets, bolt heads are anti drill.
The security bolts are now protected and can only be removed using the special key provided.
The disc can't be removed by oxyacetylene and tests have proved it's effectiveness (DVD available). A prolonged attack of 30 to 60 minutes would be required and would destroy the wheel bearings.
We have tested using a Stihl saw which took over 3 hours to remove the disc.
Many people have claimed they could remove the device in ten minutes or less, some very good engineers and mechanics, but all who have taken trouble to see the device have been convinced.
A thief can complete most jobs in less than ten minutes so the JSB HUBLOCK will be avoided, as we know from experience with three white vans and six burly thieves recently defeated. (posting Practical Caravan, forum, security and insurance, "the gypsies are back".)
The majority of our customers have had caravans stolen and understand the extent of the problem with 4,000 to 5,000 caravans stolen each year.
Many have had caravans stolen twice and a few three times, after spending a lot of money on wheel clamps, hitch locks, security posts, gates and fences.
This posting has been made to inform you of our experiences with caravans, similar to problems you have with RIB/Boat trailers.
__________________

__________________
jsbman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:43.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.